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Old 04-09-2000, 06:45 AM
IceMans68RdRunner IceMans68RdRunner is offline
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I am looking to buy another B-body and was wondering if there were any lighter than others from the years of 1968-1970. I have to find another car to drag race because I dont want to hurt my low miled Road Runner. Is like a Satellite lighter than a Charger or a Road Runner. I dont want to get a A-body because then I would have to do alot of converting for my 440 to fit. Or do you all think that an A-body is the way to go. And one more thing what is the best way if anything at all to lower the weight of the B-body to try and get it down to A-body weight or am I just spinning my wheels here.

All replys will be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks in advance,

Bryan

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68 Road Runner, 32,000mi.
*440 .30 over
*.528 lift Mopar Purple Shaft cam
*Ductile Rockers
*TCI 3000 stall
*Richmond 4.30 gears
*Edelbrock Torker 440 intake
*830 Holley Double Pumper
*Cheetah Manual Shift Valve Body.
*Stock 906 Heads
*Firestone 30.10.15 slicks
*10:3:1 TRW Pistons
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Old 04-09-2000, 01:19 PM
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I have a 64 Plymouth Belvedere with a 440 in it. The back seats and heater/blower unit has been removed and the front seats have been replaced with light weight racing seats. The car weighs 3150 lbs with all orginal sheetmetal and glass.

I don't think there are any other B-Body cars lighter than the 64-65 B-Body series.

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Old 04-09-2000, 04:34 PM
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What I was wondering is which B-bodies were the lightest between 68-70. I have all the drag racing suspention for 68-70 B-Body and was wondering if there were certain ones better than others or lighter than others to drag race with?

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Bryan

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68 Road Runner, 32,000mi.
*440 .30 over
*.528 lift Mopar Purple Shaft cam
*Ductile Rockers
*TCI 3000 stall
*Richmond 4.30 gears
*Edelbrock Torker 440 intake
*830 Holley Double Pumper
*Cheetah Manual Shift Valve Body.
*Stock 906 Heads
*Firestone 30.10.15 slicks
*10:3:1 TRW Pistons
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Old 04-09-2000, 06:20 PM
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TD/anyone -- do you know if there is much weight difference between hardtop b-bodies and post/sedan b-bodies in terms of weight?

My dad told me he remembers just leaning on his '64 Dodge 330 (a 2 door post sedan) and it would roll. It had a 383/ 4 speed. The '65 coronet 500 (hardtop) we have now takes some real effort to push around. (Pushing I mean with legs & hands!).
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Old 04-10-2000, 02:11 AM
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According to the Standard Catalog of Chrysler, 1924-1990, there's only 5 pounds difference in the shipping weights between a 1964 440 series two door hardtop and two door sedan.
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Old 04-10-2000, 03:43 AM
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I thought the sedan was alot lighter than a hard top guess I was wrong.

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Bryan

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68 Road Runner, 32,000mi.
*440 .30 over
*.528 lift Mopar Purple Shaft cam
*Ductile Rockers
*TCI 3000 stall
*Richmond 4.30 gears
*Edelbrock Torker 440 intake
*830 Holley Double Pumper
*Cheetah Manual Shift Valve Body.
*Stock 906 Heads
*Firestone 30.10.15 slicks
*10:3:1 TRW Pistons
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Old 04-11-2000, 06:02 PM
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I can honestly tell you that I think my 72 340 4spd road runner is the HEAVIEST b-body made! I was under the impression that racers like the coupes better than hardtops due to them being STIFFER rather than lighter, but I could be wrong there...
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Old 04-12-2000, 03:46 AM
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Actually, the '71-'74 B-bodies are one of the lightest. I remember this, the '66-67 Charger weighed 4300 pounds. The '68-'70 weighed 4050 pounds, and the 71-74 weighed 3900. Or at least that what my "Charger, Muscle Portfolio" said.
Between 68'-'70, I believe the Road Runner/Super Bee were the lightest. They were both factory built performance cars built to go fast on a budget, so they left out all the extras that the Charger/GTX had.



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Old 04-12-2000, 04:36 AM
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JR, there's no question that the 66-67 Chargers are heavy, but I have to disagree that the 71-74 B bodies were the lightest.

The 66-67 Chargers were heavy because they 1) were fastbacks with no package tray so had extra reinforcement around the base of the rear window (same as the Barracuda fastbacks), 2) had diecast grilles, 3) had heavy diecast rotating headlight assemblies with one motor per side, and 4) had four bucket seats (fold-down rears) and either a full length console (66) or front console and carpet covered mini console with armest in the rear (67). Even so, my 67 Charger with a Hemi only weighs 4100 pounds with a full tank of gas. This is on a scale, not just my guess. I don't know what kind of 67 Charger would weigh 4300 pounds.

As for the late B bodies, the 71-up had side impact beams in the doors and the 73-74 had heavy bumpers. Hard to see how they could be lighter than the earlier ones. According to the reference I mentioned earlier, 71 Road Runners were almost 250 pounds heavier than 68s, and 74 Chargers were 50 pounds heavier than even the 66-67s. Of course, these are shipping weights of base models with no options, not actual weights of real cars, but the relative weights should be close to correct.
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Old 04-12-2000, 08:04 AM
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The only way to really find out is to weigh them with the same scale. The newer cars tend to be heavier than the earlier ones because they have more equipment and safety structures. But the 3150 lbs for an early B-Body sounds unbelievable. We've got two A-bodies that have been lightened with fiberglass parts, aluminum wheels, aluminum heads etc. They have both been weighed with official race weights and the '66 weighs 3370 lbs and the '73 4D 3530 lbs.
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Old 04-12-2000, 10:26 PM
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I stand corrected, hemi-1. I checked that book again and according to the "Car Life" June '66 road test, their 426 Hemi Charger weighed in at 4330 pounds. Maybe their scale was off, but that's what it says.
I said that the 71-74 was ONE of the lightest, not the lightest. It is possible, because according that same book, the 71 Charger was 3 inches shorter than the '70, had 4 inches less overhang, and a 2 inch shorter wheelbase, even though it was 2 inches wider and had 3 inches more front overhang.
Actually, I tend to think that the early B-bodies were the lightest. That book I have is basically a bunch of magazine articles that reviewed the cars when they were new.
I am definately going to look up on this...
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Old 04-12-2000, 11:16 PM
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JR,

I can't say anything about the '66-67 Chargers, but a couple of buddies are B-bod fanatics, one has a '70 Charger 500 that has a 413/727 combo, with only ps/pb, full interior buckets/console, and manual windows, his weighed in at 3820 lbs...another guy has a '74 Sat 440/727 transplant, his just squeaks in under 3950 lbs, again no power options with buckets...not like my '67 Fury...4250 lbs...all three were weighed on the same scale with full tanks of gas, no driver and nothing in the trunks...

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Old 04-12-2000, 11:28 PM
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My 69 Road Runner (post car) now weights 2755# wet ready to run less driver. RB Indy heads 727 8-3/4 12pt cage and no interior ladder bars with coilovers and fiberglass hood & trunk lexan windows

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Old 04-13-2000, 02:06 AM
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JR, some of those old magazine tests would report a "test" weight, which included a driver, maybe a passenger, and test equipment. I don't have June 66 Car Life, but in February 1967 Car Life tested a 67 Hemi Charger with power steering, power windows and power disc brakes. Its curb weight was 4160 and its test weight was 4560. I have to say, though that from looking at some of the other posts and looking some more at my Chrysler book, that the 71-74 B bodies were not as heavy as I always thought they were. And obviously, they can all be lightened considerably for racing.
I know we're getting kinda far afield of Iceman's original query about weights for a race car, but since we're throwing weights around, I used to have a 64 Polara 4 door hardtop, 383, power steering, power brakes and factory air. It weighed 3800 pounds. Some A body weights (street cars): 65 Barracuda, 340 4 speed, 3275 lbs; 67 Barracuda coupe, 360 automatic, 3275 lbs; 66 Barracuda slant 6 automatic and 7 1/4 rear, 3000 lbs; 65 Valiant 2 dr sedan, 225 4 speed and 8 3/4 rear, 2850 lbs.

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Old 04-13-2000, 03:53 AM
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Well I'll be dammed!! I should have realized that, hemi-1. I'm just gonna shut up about this before I start to look like a complete idiot.
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Old 04-13-2000, 04:51 AM
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I just found a car. A 64 Belvedre 2 door hard top. Approx. how much does this car weigh? I think this is the car for me to make a drag car out of. So how much do you guys think this weighs? Thanks again for all the informative replies.

Thanks,

Bryan

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68 Road Runner, 32,000mi.
*440 .30 over
*.528 lift Mopar Purple Shaft cam
*Ductile Rockers
*TCI 3000 stall
*Richmond 4.30 gears
*Edelbrock Torker 440 intake
*830 Holley Double Pumper
*Cheetah Manual Shift Valve Body.
*Stock 906 Heads
*Firestone 30.10.15 slicks
*10:3:1 TRW Pistons
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Old 04-13-2000, 12:18 PM
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Depends on how it's equipped. If it's a big block with PS and PB but no air, I would guess about 3650. Like DartGT66 says, though, the only way to know for sure is put it on the scales and weigh it.
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Old 04-13-2000, 06:50 PM
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Just to add to the discussion on B-body weights,I have articles from the 66-74 Charger portfolio that put curb weights all over the place. In one article, a heavily loaded (no pun intended)'71 SE weighed in at 3764 pounds, while in other articles, they weighed in from 4092-4180 lbs. The other cars were also pretty well equipped.
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Old 04-14-2000, 07:09 AM
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So would the 64 Belvedre be considered one of the lighter B-Bodies? Are the 64-66 all about the same body style. Im not sure and that is why im asking. I cant find anything on Belvedres what so ever. Like after market fiber glass parts or anything. Any info will be greatly appreciated.

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Bryan

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68 Road Runner, 32,000mi.
*440 .30 over
*.528 lift Mopar Purple Shaft cam
*Ductile Rockers
*TCI 3000 stall
*Richmond 4.30 gears
*Edelbrock Torker 440 intake
*830 Holley Double Pumper
*Cheetah Manual Shift Valve Body.
*Stock 906 Heads
*Firestone 30.10.15 slicks
*10:3:1 TRW Pistons
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Old 04-14-2000, 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by IceMans68RdRunner:
So would the 64 Belvedre be considered one of the lighter B-Bodies? Are the 64-66 all about the same body style. Im not sure and that is why im asking. I cant find anything on Belvedres what so ever. Like after market fiber glass parts or anything. Any info will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Bryan
The 62's are the lightest,excluding the later ultra rare superstock offerings.The reason.Their 3"shorter wheelbase.

Thanks

Jimmy

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Old 04-14-2000, 04:18 PM
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A friend that races with us has a 66 Belvedere 440 ci, 727 auto, dana 60, ladder bars with leaf springs (floaters), lexan side windows, glass windshield and rear window, 10 pt cage, full dash, carpet, one race seat and it weighs 3000# ready to run less driver.

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Old 04-16-2000, 06:38 AM
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Just for your information guys, I looked at the car today and bought it. Its all there all the trim panels and everything, and NO rust. The factory undercarriage still has the under coating on it and where it is off it is bright red. And the cool thing about it I bought it for $250 dollars instead of the $300. The guy was really nice, helpfull and informative on the car. The only other shocker I found was the car is actually a 64 Sport Fury. Which is the same as a Belvedre except the thicker trim on the out side and the trim in the back around the tail light lens's. The Fury's didnt weight any more than the Belvedre's did they? They look identical.

Thanks for the replies in advance,

Bryan

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68 Road Runner, 32,000mi.
*440 .30 over
*.528 lift Mopar Purple Shaft cam
*Ductile Rockers
*TCI 3000 stall
*Richmond 4.30 gears
*Edelbrock Torker 440 intake
*830 Holley Double Pumper
*Cheetah Manual Shift Valve Body.
*Stock 906 Heads
*Firestone 30.10.15 slicks
*10:3:1 TRW Pistons
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Old 04-16-2000, 01:23 PM
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Sport Furies and Belvederes are the same body 64; the Sport Fury has more chrome trim and nicer interiors (i.e., bucket seats and console). This was the last year the Fury was a B body. You stole this car!!!!

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Old 04-16-2000, 05:14 PM
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Thanks Hemi1 for the reply, I feel good about my purchase.

Thanks,

Bryan

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68 Road Runner, 32,000mi.
*440 .30 over
*.528 lift Mopar Purple Shaft cam
*Ductile Rockers
*TCI 3000 stall
*Richmond 4.30 gears
*Edelbrock Torker 440 intake
*830 Holley Double Pumper
*Cheetah Manual Shift Valve Body.
*Stock 906 Heads
*Firestone 30.10.15 slicks
*10:3:1 TRW Pistons
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