finally raced a -viper-a gts actually

[openclasspro]

took my pride and joy out saturday to the ft. lauderdale air show- a 1989 20th anniuversarry indy pace car turbo charged trans am-license plate reads "1BADV-6"
anyways pulled in front of guy with viper and when we got to next block left him for dead!- then we raced once we got on highway 27-side by side i waited till he got on it and i did the same- and never looked back-stayed on nit about 1mile- and he didn't even have a chance-pulled over and we chatted-was impressed that a little 3.8l v-6 with stock internal motor just whipped him-phil

[LarryS]

Good kill Phil! A stock Viper will run about a 12 flat with tires. You have that little 3.8 running pretty good. Take a drive to Houston and let's put her up against my 98 LS1 Camaro.

[Maxwedge]

SOunds like a pretty cool TA..how many did they build of it???
Maxwedge

[openclasspro]

1550-now there is less than 300 registered
larry i'd like to see what it runs on slicks at a sea level track- ran it in pa bout 2000' plus above seal level on goodyears- 11.004@121
i know with slicks she's good 4 at least 10.75 if not more since i smoked tires into 3rd

[LarryS]

Let me retract my first offer and race you in the Mustang instead. If I ever get it running again.

[openclasspro]

slicks,little more boost,&little more fuel pressure-i'm game!

[Duster_340]

Either the VIPER was racing in REVERSE or your have a great IMAGINATION!! VERY FUNNY.

[LarryS]

Phil,

Apparently Duster_340 is not familiar with the 89 Turbo TransAm.

[openclasspro]

you need to do some research before you speak-my car was the first car to be able to do the required 150mph plus down the straights at indy in STOCK form

[openclasspro]

te 28mm turbo replaced with te 72mm turbo,
stock 1 7/8 downpipe replaced with 3" down pipe,
stock 34lb hr fuel injectors were replaced with 65 lb hr injectors,
stock air intake was swapped for k&n air intake,
the above air intake was equipped with an ADDITIONAL 2 more injectors,
custom burnt chip,
dial a boost adjustable boost regulator concealed in center console,
adjustable fuel pressure regulator,
supersized intercooler,
stock-3.23 posi rear end for retention of awesome topend speed,
th200r4 trans rebuilt with heavy duty parts,
3"arp muffler
3.8 liter buick motor is internally stock still-
car has 2150 miles as of this past beating of the viper
i only did bolt on stuff so i could return the car to stock form if i choose-i cannot list rwhp as duster 340 won't believe it-larry-i'm sur you have seen what the buick 3.8's can do-phil

[LarryS]

Phil,

I used to own an 87 Buick GN and I know what it would do. The Turbo Trans Am had a better exhaust manifold and modified heads verses the GN for even more hp. It was even faster than the GN in stock form. With the mods you have done 11.0s is very conceivable and.

[Marc]

WITH THE MODS YOU HAVE DONE......
......your car is not stock.

You beat a stock production car with a modified car.
"Stock" could also be loosely applied to Bob Reed's 68 Hemi Cuda. Why don't you take that thing to the track and reclaim the SS/AA title that is rightfully yours?

[Marc]

te 28mm turbo replaced with te 72mm turbo,
stock 1 7/8 downpipe replaced with 3" down pipe,
stock 34lb hr fuel injectors were replaced with 65 lb hr injectors,
stock air intake was swapped for k&n air intake,
the above air intake was equipped with an ADDITIONAL 2 more injectors,
custom burnt chip,
dial a boost adjustable boost regulator concealed in center console,
adjustable fuel pressure regulator,
supersized intercooler,
stock-3.23 posi rear end for retention of awesome topend speed,
th200r4 trans rebuilt with heavy duty parts,
3"arp muffler
3.8 liter buick motor is internally stock still-
car has 2150 miles as of this past beating of the viper
i only did bolt on stuff so i could return the car to stock form if i choose-i cannot list rwhp as duster 340 won't believe it-larry-i'm sur you have seen what the buick 3.8's can do-phil

I would consider your car HEAVILY modified. 28mm turbo replaced with a 72mm??? What boost were you running during this race? Let the WHOLE story out......

[openclasspro]

i said the the internals of the motor was stock
stock, the car was the first to pace indy without any mods
running around 28lbs of boost-couldn't turn up any higher or it would ping seeing i only had 93 octane in it
still it's a stock littleolebuick v-6 with bolt ons taking on chrysler's super state of the art v-10 thats only 13 yrs newer

[Marc]

28 POUNDS OF BOOST??!?!

No wonder you have low miles, and I bet you never ran most of those miles at THAT level. That "dial-a-boost" must be getting a workout!

You are a little misleading in presenting yourself as "STOCK" anything..... putting a 72mm turbo on ANY car with 28 pounds of boost would do damn close to the same, including MUCH OLDER cars than yours.

That state of the art Viper does it's job NATURALLY ASPIRATED, you are comparing apples to scientifically mutated plums...
LOL

My buddy ran a 260Z with 20 pounds of boost and couldn't believe how fast his car was. He raced and raced and all fo the sudden

KA-BOOM!!!

Hope you don't run that much boost through that 3.8 for too long too many times. It will surely make a mess of "returning it to stock" plans.

[openclasspro]

231 CI versus 488 CI
89 v6 2 valve engine versus state of the art engine
89 naturally aspirated v6-150hp-gts 455hp?
what was the best 1/4 mile time any chrysler product had in 89 stock?
by the way that buick motor can handle a helluva lot of boost- there are many significant differences from it than the gn motor- reason it was rated at 250hp was it could not have a higher rating than the corvette -which had 250-tta had 301
in regards to boost -been way higher than 28lbs on race gas-dynoed at 647 rwhp with 42lbs
the only point i was initially making was it was nice to finally put a viper owner in his place-no disrespect to dodge owners-seeing i am one

[Marc]

I don't see how you put a "Viper owner in his place".

You have a heavily modified car which isn't even naturally aspirated. To top it off, you were running 28 pounds of boost through a 72mm turbo. An AMC Matador with a 401 and your style of induction could have done the same. Don't get me wrong, 11.004 in the quarter is a great time for a mild street car, but again you don't seem to understand- the Viper you brag about racing was probably stock.
What do you consider the STOCK quarter mile time for your car??

[AZMOPAR]

Actually the GN Buick and that generation turbo V6s are really impressive, especially when modified by someone who knows what they are doing, like Ken Dutweiler. I have heard that he successfully ran up to 35lbs boost but the engine was not stock either. On the other hand I never considered the Viper was designed for straight line performance - your comparison. Put your TA up against a Viper on a road course and see how long you can stay with it.............or even just on top end performance. Given enough road the Viper will pass you up on the top end.

[openclasspro]

13.04 stock@110
you are wrong about the the top end
my car has had the suspension upgraded and lowered and will pull almost a g on the track-
i paid 33k out the door for it in 89
i was offered 35 cash last summer for it
if i buy a 01' viper will i get my money back out of it in 2012?
i guess i upset some individuals here-i guess my point what i was making is -when a viper pulls up to you -you know it's a bad ass- but for the common individual to see a late 80's transam- one would think it is nothing special-like i said i left the 3.23 rear end in it so my top end speed didn't suffer.
to make you guys happy -i plan on building a hemi dakota-i saw on speedvision sunday -big shot for mopar that said they are making bolt -in kits to put crate hemi motors into dakotas.

[Pierre Amado]

get the night rider car out of here, no disrespect or anything but i don't care how fast your car is a viper is so much nicer, it looks evil, it's an all round great car, and you're t/a well it's an 80's chevy musclecar .i would never compare a t/a to a viper thats just wrong.

[Marc]

I have no problem with such a comparison so long as the comparison is represented for what IT IS.

In my books a 1989 Trans Am W87 or a Trans Am GTA W87/Y84 came no where near a 13.01 quarter mile time or a 110 mph trap speed STOCK.
Where did you possibly get those numbers? Please attach a link so I can view where you are getting your information. The "top 50 fastest accelerating cars" site doesn't list a 1989 TTA among them, and they go back into the 14 second zone.
A Viper is SOOOO much more than a straight line car, I don't think it's fair to diss it because you HEAVILY modified your car and beat one in a race. It's really pointless to compare.
You paid $33000 and were offered $35000? Do you think we are all blind? HOW MUCH DID THOSE MODIFICATIONS COST YOU??? You aren't in a position of getting anywhere NEAR all your money back. The Viper would've been a MUCH more solid investment, financially speaking.
Like I said, 11.004 is a good time for a mild street car. It's nothing extraordinary though.....
Why don't you try to put a hurting on Dart66GT's FOUR DOOR?? LOL

[Marc]

Oh, and since this IS the drag racing forum......

You DO know that if you REALLY have "647 rearwheel horsepower" you should be able to go considerably faster than you are.
Your chassis is definately slowing you down.

[openclasspro]

traction is slowing me down- try motortrend in 89-i believe they said it was the most fun you could have with your clothes on-wasn't a gta - a tta get it straight-as far as getting my money back- could have made 2 k on it last summer- lets see you get 2k over what u paid for a viper 12 yrs down the road-NOT-as far as all the bolt ons go- i could care less- i spend more on stupid stuff a month than most people do on their mortage-can't take money to the grave- and before we talk my foolishness with money- i'm retiring 1n 13 yrs at the age of 43- nuff said

[Marc]

My 1940 Plymouth Businessman's Coupe was $725 brand new in 1940. Who makes more money?? LOL

The TTA was NEVER listed as 13.01/110 mph by MotorTrend. I have them all. Any other guesses?

I'm starting to think you are "inventing" road tests, unless of course you can give me a SPECIFIC magazine with a SPECIFIC issue......

[PRO]

Even if you can run 11.0(?) how long will it stay together? Vipers last an easy 120K,besides my daily driven 65 Valiant with a 360 normally aspirated,carbureted, with no power adder will run 160 mph,get 18 mpg and run 11s,no high tech anything.You know what PONTIAC stands for? poor old nobody thinks its a cadillac.................put the pedal to the metal........PRO.............

[PRO]

ps,my 78 Dodge 3/4t 4x4 440 runs 15.30s off the bottle,13.90 on its just a tad faster than your 2001,better quit spending all your foolish money on stupid stuff,your income doesnt impress anyone,if it even exist,I own 2 buisnesses...so what!!!!Im not so insecure I resort to bragging about income...........Lets race,put up or shut up,we'll let the cars speak for themselves.............PRO...........

[Tall Guy]

You said everything will bolt back stock. I feel sorry for the poor SOB you dump this car on after you flog the hell out of it with 28lbs of boost (mild from your statements)! Your car has 2500 miles on it and you say the Viper is 13! years newer? He probably put that on in a month! You see, we DRIVE our cars! 28 lbs. is 2 atmospheres of boost. You keep beating that engine and you can throw all that cash around that your so proud of some more.

This is a MOPAR site - go spread your BS somewhere else

[openclasspro]

13.01@110 was what "my" car ran stock off the showroom floor.

[openclasspro]

www.li.net/~rsalerno/ttapublist.htm

[openclasspro]

think your 78 4x4 reg cab would run a 15.30 with a 360 out of a 2001 like mine ? didn't think so-i guess that 440 is a stock 440 from 1978-guess i need to sell my ram as well as my ta as it's a piece of shit too?