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Old 07-14-2001, 12:11 PM
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is it possible to get 450hp from a 360 without running jet fuel. where is the closest place from palestine tx that i can have one built.
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Old 07-14-2001, 08:24 PM
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If you want to you could build a 360 that has 499ft-pds and 497hp that runs on pump gas. This is the motor I intend on building for my car next year. The motor was built by Herb McCandless and the write up on it, which includes parts numbers and everything can be found in the July 99 issue of High Performance Mopar Magazine. Hope this helps, Cuda Kid.
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Old 07-15-2001, 08:37 AM
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And along those same lines, a small clean up/porting of the edelbrock heads will help alot. Major work is not needed.
I went the route of the MoPar short block. It's cam is larger than the Edelbrocks cam and the short block gives more compresion than the Edelbrock mule motor. (I also roller rockered the top)
Edelbrocks advertisement w/ the 340 and complete RPM package is given a HP rateing of 417. The extra compresion and larger cam by itself should get you very near if not over the target.
A single plane intake or porting the heads would give the missing HP. I would port the heads myself and keep the RPM dual plane intake. Run 93 or 94 octane with this.
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Old 07-15-2001, 11:38 AM
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http://www.ramchargercentral.com has a post on a 585hp 318 that runs on pump gas. in fact it was built on a $640 parts/labor long block. it was for sale for $4800.
http://ramchargercentral.com/cgi-bin...&num=994187910
www.overrevracing.com (ask for chuck)
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Old 07-15-2001, 08:31 PM
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I'm curious as how they get the engine to survive with cast pistons, 15 psi boost and 93 octane fuel.

I tried looking up their site but it doesn't seem to work.
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Old 07-16-2001, 09:20 AM
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I can't see cast piston living a long time under my right foot to long. Nevermind the 15 lbs. of boost. $640 for the short block is a good price. Price will vary on were you live and parts used. Cast pistons are cheap, and not the parts to use IMO on a engine as such you gave the link for. I still live by the saying "You get what you pay for." Those cast pistons @ $9 dollors, who makes them? How thick is the piston? How much heat doe's this thing create for the engine?
Superchargeing is a great way to go.
You can also see there heads were ported preety well to flow those numbers. Those smog heads are restrictive in stock form. A head porter will charge a good penny to get that level of flow from those heads.
With superchargeing an engine, it will increase the power very well even if the heads aren't ported. When they are, WOW!
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Old 07-16-2001, 12:44 PM
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At 450HP, I'd follow the McCandless 360 build up. Try the following link: http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/index.html
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Old 07-16-2001, 05:00 PM
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Sure!
The place to start would probbly be the Edelbrock heads which probbly are about the best bang for the buck.
Then add the Edelbrock Performer RPM intake (the air gap is probbly even better if you don't mind a bet more warm-up time.)
Figure about $1500 for the heads and intake?
You could build a shortblock to your specific needs or just get a Mopar 360 Shortblock that already has the cam installed. I think about $1200 to $1300 for the short block.
You need special head bolts for the heads (I think about $100?)
Arr pushrods and rocker gear, a carb, fuel pump, ignition system, valve covers, etc.. I'm not sure if the Mopar short block comes with an oiling system, probbly not, anso add a MP windage tray too.
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Old 07-16-2001, 05:49 PM
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Hey everyone, I was fortunate to purchase the actual edelbrock / McCandless mule shortblock. I was over at Herbs house doing some wiring for him and told him of my head gasket probs. with my 340 in my 72 barracuda. He proceeded to show me the shortblock which he had wrapped up. He had already sold the heads and the intake but we talked about it and I was taking the shortblock home. When we loaded it up we put in the truck upside down which all the lifter decided to fall out of their proper lifter bore. A few phone calls and a few parts later I had pretty much the same monster. Indy supplied me with a set of Edel. heads with about 500$ of port work done. Ken Lazzeri used to be apretty good friend back in the days. Tested some of the cars he had built. I'm a little guy and if anyone knows Kenny, he ain't small. Kenny and I actually took an old stocker looking car (maybe it was a fury or well, it was probably 8 years ago) to Jacksonville NC and tested out a new motor for the car. It was actually a destroked 426. turned it about 8500.. ran high tens. First time in the car and to make quater mile passes we would have to run in a trophy class. So that is what we did. I ended up winning the class. It was also a stock/superstock points race. We had some eyeballs looking at us. Oh back to what I was talking aboout.


I also got a new RPM intake, new lifters which comp cams recomened due to my lifter problem, Milodon pan, used my old race distributor, and a demon 750 vac sec.

Bolted all this together and fired it up. I was running heddman 1 5/8 heddars and 2.5 in tti exhaust before. This all stayed. I had a 727 with a 3000 stall converter and 3.91 gears with nitto 275/ 50 15 drag radials. The car is a 1972 barracuda. It is my fun street car that I like to play with at the track on the test and tune nights. It ran an 8.03 at 86mph the first night. Bad luck has plagued me since. Wiped a lobe off the cam so I decide to tear down the whole thing for a thorough cleaning. New bearings and rings and oilpump and a new comp cams cam. Same model 305/525 hydraulic. Got it all back together and never could run as fast. Found a big problem with the powervalve being sized too big. Motor only had about 4-5 in HG at idle and a 6.5 PV. I believe washed rings was my new culprit. A slight knock had also started to creep up. Finally broke down on July 4th and pulled the motor. Tore it down last week and found a ton of carbon buildup and brass showing on every main and rod bearing. Not good. The crank was chewed up pretty good. One of the main bearing was all brass. Well at this point I am getting frustrated. Maybe I was not meant to build motors for myself.. Steve Jarret at Hennsley racing is my man.. Called him up about some kind of solution and he talked me into a stroker motor.. Going with the 360 mainly due to the larger mains. I don't believe I will notice the extra 8 ci from a stroker 340. He is supplying a short block and I am taking him my heads which they are going to clean, inspect and do any repairs if necessary, my cam and lifter, my crane roller rockers, oil pan and a lot of other little goodies so they can button up the whole thing. I am getting excited as I speak. Hopefully the 408 ci will propel the car into some 7.70's and be driven to and from the track. I am probably going to go ahead and get a new set of heddars and step up to 3" pipes to the mufflers and 3" mufflers also. I will probanly stick with the 2.5 in over the axle though. On the heddars I am tired of scrubbing going over speed bumps so I am really thinking about going with the tti heddars. They are a 1 5/8 to 1 3/4 step heddar that does not go under the drag link and I do not have to use a 90deg. oil filter adpt. I know they are alot of money but I work hard for my money and I deserve it. Hell yea...I deserve it.

I was so excited about that 8.03 and new the car was going to go faster..put in a turboaction valve body....the shifts were very sluggisg but with the new valve body...Bam...Bam. Thought That would get me into the 7.90's nope... just kept getting slower and slower. Right before I pulled it out the last time she ran 8.30's with 1.90 60's.. The car would 60 in the mid to low 70's before. Oh well now I am going to just wait and try and get some of my other projects done while the 406 is being built like my twin turbo stealth that has been a huge headache but that is a whole different problem.
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Old 07-16-2001, 06:46 PM
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A friend rund a 408 stroker 360 with mildly ported Edelbrock heads from Hennesy, and a 300 something solid cam. The Challenger runs 11's in the 1/4 mile!
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Old 07-16-2001, 09:48 PM
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heres a little recipie to get about 450hp to the wheels. daily driver material (before the fire) seriously, and all off of 93 octane.

and the fire was a tuning problem.
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Old 07-16-2001, 09:49 PM
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Old 07-17-2001, 11:31 AM
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Hay, that is preeeety darn cool.
I'd like to quiz you on the cars setup. I just don't know about turbos. I am intersted though. TT440 has a wild set up as well. Sorry to see the fire, good luck.

No the real questions come....Are you the girl or is that your girl/wife. Of course the world will now visit your site and wonder if your married. LOL
1 complaint. Thong shot is to high.... Need to drop the camra a bit south.
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Old 07-17-2001, 06:07 PM
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thats my wife.. just thought i would share her a little bit. on my copy of the thong pic. it does go further south. but you never know who is going to stumble onto the website. gotta keep it clean. lol
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Old 07-17-2001, 10:16 PM
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Does she know she's on the net?

that's one wild fish you've got there mate!
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Old 07-17-2001, 10:44 PM
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if you think the thong shot is nice, you should see the video.
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ROFLPMSL

Where's the url for that?

LOL
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Old 07-18-2001, 10:42 AM
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LOL!!!!

Cool car, cool wife, cool site!!!

Would still like to know how that tubo is set up. That there be some wild power!!!!!
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Old 07-18-2001, 03:08 PM
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what do you mean "how the turbos are set up"

headers to turbos to 3" to flowmasters to turndowns

oil comes from the sending unit mount. tee's off to both turbos. drain tubes back to the oil pan (above the oil level. its a gravity drain.)

no additional support for the turbos are needed. they arent heavy.
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Old 07-18-2001, 07:05 PM
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So obviously you get enough oil flow from pressure sender port for the turbos. What size line did you use? -4?
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Old 07-18-2001, 08:38 PM
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used 1/4 inch brake line. (guess you could say -4 an) that. and used 5/8 return line. its gravity fed. the oil flowing thru it is really whipped up. so the bigger the better really. 1" wouldnt be bad.
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OK, let me put it this way. I'm a complete DUMMY on how to set it up. Other than what you just wrote. LOL
I was meaning in the sense of waste gates, computer needed? Is a carb OK to use without nitrofil floats? Much is a mystery to me on turbos.
I'll just sart with a book.
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Old 07-19-2001, 05:04 PM
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two books to get

"maximum boost" by corky bell
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"turbochargers" by hugh macinnes


get either one or better yet both
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Old 07-20-2001, 12:19 AM
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Thanks dude.
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Old 07-20-2001, 01:10 AM
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Dewme5, Any time slips yet?
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Old 07-20-2001, 04:51 PM
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no... getting all the tuning i can before i get to the strip. now... to recoup from the fire. also.. i need some bolts to reassable my rear end. its the clutch type posi. left hand thread, 3 3/4" long, 3/8" x 24 thread per inch. please somebody help!!!
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