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hangin w/ 3000 GT....
Now I know this car would hand me my a$$ in a race, but not under these circumstances. This was a stock 3000 GT, not the fast VR-4 edition, but it was a 5 speed and had a high school kid and his girlfriend in it. We were at a red light and he kept revving his engine, but I acted like I wouldn't take the bait. So I just kinda took off normal and so did he, then about 20 mph I floored it, I caught him a little off guard and he was playin catch-up and never really gained on me all the way to 65, still lookin at my rear bumper. I think he woulda caught me on top end but I wasn't really too impressed, maybe he shifted bad or something but you would think a sports car w/ 5-speed would be able to take a heavy ,underpowered, TRUCK out with ease. He better not tell daddy about this one!!!....ramiam
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well... those things are actually kinda heavy, and they dont have that much power. You probably woulda stayed ahead of him till about 80 mph when you got too much drag.
The 3000gt vr-4s are fast though! I had a Mitsu Eclipse GSX with awd and turbo, and my indy would have WALKED ALL over it anyday of the week till about 90-100mph, while the GSX was only about as good AS the Indy. Those turbo'd mitsu's aren't that great from my experience. nice kill though |
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Just last weekend I was giving my MOPAR a rest and was putting a few miles on my wifes Fiero GT (V6 w/a FEW mods) and some idiot with a 3000 was zigzagging through traffic and I ended up with him trying to gutter sneak me at a light. Had him by about 5 or 6 car lengths in less than half a block. I launched at a very low rpm, about 1000, so I think with a real launch it would have been worse for him. I've ridden in my friends 3000 GT and I don't think he could beat my wifes car in a 1/8 mile, her car couldn't touch the 3000 GT at topend, but they're so heavy that they're not good off the line.
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gthomas,
I love my '87 Fiero GT 5-spd , very quick little cars. What a differance going from my Fiero to my Ram, maybe up to the top of my wheelwells, huge size differance. I do hate the little 2.8 v-6's though, been through 2 of em, can't keep the bottom end in it, and have a 180,000 on the car. I'd like to drop a Mopar v-8 in there, then I would have the best of both worlds.....ramiam |
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Not to dig in your butt or anything but a stock GSX would kill a stock Indy. I dont understand how it can be slower launching with boost at a high rpm with power goin to all 4 wheels? I mean those things 60fts are unreal. I think they run low low 15's stock? What exaclty does an Indy/SST run? I'm not trying to prove you wrong just curious. |
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ramiam... I've been thinking of putting a small block MOPAR in my wifes 88 Fiero also. I'm not sure what tranny to use for the conversion. And what mods would need to be done to the suspension and brakes. A V-8 will fit because theres a guy in Orange County that puts a lot of bowtie 350ci's and a few 502ci's in the Fiero's out here in the west coast. My neighbor who is a MOPAR fanatic put a very hot 3.1, roller cam, headers, racing brakes, beefed tranny, etc, and loves to surprise Mustangs and the Z28's. Another idea is the full aluminum V-8 Hemi that is used by Toyota in limo's over in Japan. It looks like a tiny aluminum 426 hemi and would look great in the Fiero. I heard of a Jeep CJ that is running one in mud drags and is really kicking butt. I've never seen one but I know two people that have and they said they were surprised it was built by Toyota.
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well R/T eater, my indy had the 3.92 limited slip, and SUPER sticky tires on it, the ONLY way I could get it to spin goin in a straight line was to crank the steerin wheel, it was raining, or I brake torqued it! It would launch like crazy, dont know why it didn't spin, never could get it too (without cheatin anyways). The GSX didn't feel like it had all that much power, may have been because it was an automatic though :P . I might have been off, it could be the GSX would beat my indy when it reached 80 or so, but before that my indy would have beat it. i dunno, could have been the GSX was slow or somethin, but it was the turbo and it was runnin great, so I dont know!
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ramiam - shame on you for picking on those light import cars with small engines that make as much power as our american big engines. Nice kill though, did you be chance see the looks on there faces? |
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I got ya now, but I never thought they made an automatic GSX. Anyways I can see how it would be slow compared to a 5spd.
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Automatics in boost applications
I've done a fair amount of thinking about the auto vs. stick thing on turbocharged cars, and I definitely think that an auto would be better for a turbo because of the lag. Even with a good blowoff valve there is going to be some drop in boost when shifting the manual transmission, because you have to let off the gas for a split second. With an auto you don't let off so there's no lag. The difference in ET wouldn't be much if the guy (or girl) with the manual was really good. The ideal tranny for drag racing would be a manual transmission that shifted as fast an an automatic. Best of both worlds!
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my father used to be known around these parts for shifting his hot rods SOO fast people would think he was driving an auto till he hit 4 th gear . you can always get a short throw shifter and some other things that will help you shift faster. My fathers secret was shifting without clutching and/or without letting off the gas. Of course, he paid for it (blown engine in the 1/4, missed shifts).
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The turbo stays spooled up between the shifts so, assuming a fairly rapid and accurate shift sequence, there is no measurable difference between the two tranny types as far as boost going away during shifting. The centrifugal force within the turbo keeps it spooled up for quite a few moments even after the accelarator is pedaled back. Even in over-boost conditions the waste gate usually reacts soon enough to keep the boost up. A supercharged engine will react differently because the compressor is mechanically linked to the engine speed while the turbo is a fan blown by exhaust gases. As far as the turbo lag, that is only from low rpm during a launch so the automatic is usually a disadvantage there, although with a stick you can get too much boost too soon which can cause traction problems.
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