Keisler 5-speed, any good???

[JariV]

Hi'ya,

anybody with first-hand experience on the Keisler? And I mean with serious powerlevels in the range of 800-900hp and 700ft-lb. of torque.
Price sounds reasonable but am in need of true experiences whether the box and clutch can hold Barton Hemi power in a 2900 lbs A-body.

Please comment if you know.

BRs,

[ehostler]

It's overpriced. You'd be better off with the Ricmond. It's stronger and is designed to bolt up with few modifications.

[TT440]

I've done that conversion with a friend on his '70 440+6 Road Runner.
The tranny seems solid enough to hold up behind 9 second Mudstains. I'd go with a TKO II for the extra strength but the OD drops to .82 or so.

For those looking for info on the swap, there's a discussion on Moparts.com about these trannies.

[JariV]

Sh..t,

I cannot find that discussion anywhere over there...

Where is it, exactly?

BRs,

[KM]

JARI,
There is a search engine on top of each page !!
Type keisler, hit enter and voila....

Kimmo

[JariV]

Howdyhow,

(JEEZZ, sounds like I'm a Texan....sorry Texans, no offense)

tried to seach moparts.com for Keisler but no luck. Everytime zero matches to my query.

Ideas?

Copypastes?

Even a lollipop so I won't start cryin....

Cheers,

[KM]

Jari,
On moparts board go to question & answer board !!
After you get there search !!
Four (4) matches.....

Kimmo

[JariV]

Ok,
found them.

BUT:

Nobody seems to be aware of the setup's torque/hp capabilities.
If it can hold say 750 lbs-ft on first gear, then fine, but I sure will use all engine potential with at least to gear ratio 1to1 which would be 4th with Keisler. And the torque is still the same with every gear.

So, my choices (so far) behind a serious motor:

Keisler 5spd, nobody knows

Jerico 5spd, best but really expensive and noisy as hell

Doug Nash 5spd, tougher than TKO II ?? Price??

T56 BorgWarner 6spd, how much will that hold???

Please comment.

[TT440]

Do a search on the internet for Tremec. They manufacture the T3550 and TKO that are used in the Keisler kit.

I do not know the torque capacity of the tranny. I have been told that the method used to test them is to put the tranny in high gear and lock the output shaft. The torque is applied to the input shaft until something gives.
450 lb/ft of torque in 5th gear is mighty impressive if you ask me. The first few gears must hold serious power.

[PRO]

OK heres the smack down,taken directly from the owner/designer of the keisler 5 spd(Shaffi)its an upgraded Tremec,good to 650hp all day long,it has 3 shifter locations stock and you can use a modified pistol grip,it comes with a steel bellhousing,2 disc bad ass clutch,hydraulic t/o bearing and new steel flywheel,new trans mount all for $2895 and right now hes offering a free driveshaft with each purchase.I spoke to him in person at the Mopar nats in Columbus.I saw everything he sells and spoke to 2 guys who have it in their cars,it gets my seal of awesome approval.Overdrive is .69 and 1st is available in 3.37 and 2.97. Its Keisler Automotive,1-865-982-8198.in Maryville Tenn,www.keislerauto.com. Shafi Keisler owner.JariV it wont hold up to your hp specs..........PRO........

[JariV]

Thanks PRO,
at last a trustworthy and a clear answer.
So I won't consider it as an option for me anymore.

But what will hold up then?

The T56 six speed in a Viper?

I know that Jerico would do the job but the price is $6,5K for internal rail roadrace 5-speed, OUCH !!!

Any other manuals anywhere?

I don't consider DougNash or Richmond boxes as options because of their bad shifting characteristics.

So, am I stuck with Jerico?

BRs,

[DartGT66]

How about a G-Force, or a Lenco? A Lenco would be pretty cool.

[JariV]

What's a G-Force?

Lenco might be nice but is expensive and weighs more than a Jerico.

What type of downshifting capabilities do those 2 boxes have? Because I will drive it on the street also. Just like you DartGT66. Air shifters are out of the question.

Lenco would be outrageous...he he. But this is what I was thinking about, it's directly from Jerico's product list.

BRs,

(IMG)http://www.jericoperformance.com/products/rr54b.jpg(/IMG)

[DartGT66]

Just like the Jerico, G-force is used in Nascar and Pro Stock Truck classes and is rated at 800-1000 lb/ft. It's about 1000$ less than the Jerico, and not as wide in shape. Check this site for contact info etc. http://eatporsche.stangnet.com/transmission/trans.html
Using a manual behind a powerful engine isn't one of the easiest routes, but I guess you don't care. The clutches and the rest of the drivetrain are under severe punishment and requires continuous maintenance to work properly. If punished, that is.

[JariV]

Thanks man,

that was very useful and interesting piece of info.

You don't happen to have any other good ideas?

BRs,

[DartGT66]

I do, but you don't want to hear them

[JariV]

If they are suggestions to using a B/RB and auto then no. It's a good, reliable and FAST setup but not my style in this case to be. It will definately be a Hemi and a 5-speed.

But I am seriously thinking of leaving those SS leafs alone and go the fourlink way. Damn those Finnish car percentages, I'll have to use steel doors and trunk lid.

[DartGT66]

The main problem with the four link / coil over route is that it's next to impossible to get accepted by the authoroties because of the regulation changes recently. I will propably try that next winter, but I believe I have to leave the leaf springs there to not to change the suspension type. But we'll see....

[6pakman]

jari v, what do you plan on doing with this car? is it street, strip, or both? i would say, thats alot of horsepower for just the street.

[6pakman]

jari v, what do you plan on doing with this car? is it street, strip, or both? i would say, thats alot of horsepower for just the street.also wanted to say a barton hemi is nothing to sneeze at. dude thats some serious horsepower. i say youv'e gone that far, i wouldnt put anything less than the best trans available behind that god fearin engine. my 2$ worth

[PRO]

Just a remender that last years KOS(King of the street) champion,Mike Daurity ran a leaf spring rear suspension turning consistent 7.70s with hundred foot plus wheelies in a 73 Cuda so it is possible.He ran a 600hp Hemi with 700 staged horses of N2O....PRO....

[DartGT66]

Leaf springs, and what else? I know Bucky Hess has leaf springs in his 'cuda too, but it's a floater with a four link. I believe Jaris intention is to build a street&strip car with a naturally aspirated engine. The street part makes the thing a little more difficult, since we can't build a no compromise drag suspension for the street. I know that for example Stockers can get deep in to 1.30's 60 ft times using just leaf springs and narrow tires, but given the chance they would all use four links.

[JariV]

Yeah,
things are exactly like DARTGT66 says here. My main goal is to build a car that is outrageous, 1st class all around and fast as hell into original factory super stock style.
According to the style that I'm after SS leafs would be my choice but since my goal in the quartermile is in 9.30-9.50 class then I want to make things right the first time.
And this is just a scenario:
Imagine yourself behing an old, slim steering wheel, manual in 1st, clutch down, 900hp dualquad 550+cid Hemi idling with open exhaust and the tree starts, RPMs rise....

Obviously I do not have enough hair on my chest. But that is my dream, to really see and feel what it feels like in actual life.

I had similar feelings about the AAR Coupe. They are true now and I want to get the feeling again.

BRs,

[JariV]

I was just wondering here...
...whether I could get a hold of Mike Daurity and maybe discuss about the topic in a more precise manner. He doesn't happen to be here or does anybody have his contact info or an e-mail address? Does he have homepages?

Since I am never gonna race against him because I don't think that I will ever get to that kind of performance level it would be great to give Mopar more name here in the North.

Can someone help?

[KM]

Well Jari,
I can´t give you Dauritys e-mail address but quite near anyway...
I have e-mailed with another KOS driver and car builder Monte Smith and if Daurity has e-mail then I´m quite sure that Monte does know it.If he does not then he could give you some valuable advice anyway.....
Worth a try don´t you think.
Okay here comes :
gtxmonte@msn.com

Ki