440 A BODY EXHAUST

[bsbn]

DOES ANYBODY HAVE A 440 A BODY?
WHAT TYPE OF EXHAUST MANIFOLDS OR HEADERS DO YOU USE? ALSO HOW WELL DO THEY FIT AND PERFORM?
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP

[rb77413]

I don't have a 440 A-body But when I work the bugs out of mine it will, hopefully, have a 383 in it. I'm not sure how these headers perform, but a company called CPPA makes big block a-body headers. They also publish the magazine, I think it called "Chrysler Car Enthusiast" or something close to that name. If I remember they run about $400 And They are chassis exit not fenderwell. These are the ones that I plan to go with. Hope this helps out.

[thomasray]

OK,,, CPPA - 2044 Central Ave, Duarte Ca.91010 Phone - 818-303-6220.
owners of Chrysler Power Magazine.
Be sure you install the small starter p5249644 as this header is very tight under there.
I have a pair that I finally removed when I found a set of the factory manifolds but these are few & expensive.
your transmission Kickdown will have to be shortened as it hits the header.. TCCI Exaust Pipes are perfect... I have a set of those & love them.. buy a few mopar mags they are in there.. Schumacher Creative Services -
In Seattle provides a catalog with all the motor mounts . Phone - 206-364-7151.
somebody else makes headers also but I forgot who.. they should be better than CPPA as they are a newer design.. Probally cheaper also.

[DartGT66]

I have had, and still have a few of them. The CPPA's are aout 500$ nowadays. The small starter didn't fit with the CPPA headers, because although shorter, the new starter is wider than the old ones. I don't know if they have changed the header design, but at least in my case the new small starter didn't fit even close with the CPPA's. The CPPA's in my case didn't fit too well in to the chassis too, I had to make a few dings to them. They are also compromised performance wise because of the tight turns out of the heads, but surely much better than manifolds. The primaries also run very close to the spark plugs, actually the primaries have been dented for spark plug clearance and in my case all the dents werent positioned correctly, so some plugwireboots actually touched the headers. You know what that does to lengevity. They are not equal length headers either, but what comes to underchassis A-body 440 headers choices are few. I don't know about any others, Pro Parts used to have partial fenderwells that were equal length and still had the exits under the car for easier exhaust bolt on. They are still around, but I don't know where you can find them. The price is about the same as CPPAs. Ever since the tring of CPPAs, and before that, I have used fenderwells, either ready or self made. I haev been very happy with the fenderwells, access to the plugs is good, and they make good power. They somewhat limit the front suspension height and/or tire travel at turns but I am much more eager to live with that than with the CPPA's.

[ncarnes]

Hedman B&E body headers fit really well. I have them in my 74 383 Duster. They need a couple small dings, but from what I hear so do the CPPA's and the best part is the Hedmans are $99 from Jegs! Then send them to Jet Hot for a nice shiny coating for about $175 and your still well under the CPPA price(which is ridiculously high if you ask me). Though the coating isn't really necessary, it just looks nice on there. Good luck!
Later,
Nick

[Christopher]

I have one of the last sets of headers from Pro Parts.(Pro Parts sold out to Herb McCandless a long time ago and now Herb is out of buisiness too.)The only thing I don't like about them is that the collectors angle toward the trans pan,and that stops me from using a trans shield.I'm probably going to shell out some serious bucks next year and put on a set of Stahl Headers.They are very expensive!!!I recently saw a set of headers that looked OK to me,they are from Schumacher Creative Services (206)364-7151.These are a shorty type of header and are Tri-Y's also.They say will handle up to 500Hp.These look like a very nice set of tubes.The info says they will clear the starter and only take s about 30-40 minutes to install-with the engine in the car.

[DartGT66]

The B/E body headers may fit an A-body with a 383, but not with a RB 440.

[motorhead440]

I have a set of hooker super comp 1 7/8" fenderwell headers in my 70 duster. So far, so good, you need a little patients cutting the holes for them, but i think they are worth it. I saw the shorty headers christopher mentioned at the nats, i think it was schumacher creative services that had then on display, i think they had a $500 price tag on them.I like the fenderwell jobs because of the room under the car and they kinda look like something mopars should have from the factory. Just my warped opinion.
Good luck.

[Christopher]

The only things I don't like about Hookers is that you have to cut into the fenderwell a good bit,which weakens the uni-body structure.The other thing is that they limit tire clearence on the front.I like to use the 7.10x15 Moroso tires and I've seen other 440-A body cars' tires blow out with the wheels turned picking up heat from the headers.The Schumacher headers come in 3 ways,Chrome,Jet-Hot coated and plain painted steel tubes.I would imagine that the plain tubes are a lot cheaper than $500.00

[This message has been edited by Christopher (edited October 03, 1999).]

[PostTop67]

Hey, I have a 67 Dart w/ a stroked 400....I am running a set of headers from Bob Mazzolini Racing out of Riverside, California. The headers cost me $175, and are similar to B/E body types, only a bit shorter in height. They fit GREAT, and I used the mounts from Schumacher Creative Services. The car turns 12.40's, and that's with 3.23's...so performance is not a problem. I have power steering and brakes, and nothing hits. I have a auto in it, so I used a Lokar kickdown setup..this is my daily driver. Hope the info helps.

John

[DartGT66]

Like said earlier, those headers fit with a B-engine 383&400, but not with a 413/426/440. One more reason to build a '451'?

[Christopher]

Hey Post Top,can you tell me more about these headers??? such as size of tubing,are they underchassis,primary length etc.I am contemplating buying a set of Stahl Headers for my 440 Dart,but at $900.00 thats a bit expensive.

[PostTop67]

The headers I have are 1 5/8'' primaries and fit like a champ.I didn't have to put a single ding in them! I wouldn't run them on anything over 475 horse or so, you would be choking it. As far as not being able to run them on a 440, that is up for question--I know my set will work, I have a 70 440-6 on the stand that I trial fit them with into the Dart, the only tight spot with them was the #7 tube in relation to the steering column.

[PostTop67]

Oh ya, I forgot...they are FULL underchassis-
I also built the stroker to be different, and yes...to have room to change the spark plugs!

[Christopher]

I'll have to call Mazzolini and see if he carries a 1 7/8-2" header.Thanks for the info!!

[DartGT66]

Sure Mazzolini carries 2" headers, they are called CPPAs, cost 500$ and don't fit too well. But Post Top67, do you know if those 1 5/8" headers will fit B-engine with power steering too?

[Christopher]

I'm not going to use the CPPA tubes.I want a 1 7/8 or 2" primary header that is not a full fenderwell type and is adjustable.Stahl has them but are $900.00.So I'm trying to save some money and have what I want at the same time.Looks like I'll be trying to convince the wife on the Stahl's.

[PostTop67]

They are 1 3/4'' tubes, not 5/8''---sorry about that. Yes, they will fit with PS, I trial fit them before with the 440 and the box still in there. Going with a late model cop car version would be even better for room.