Like to make my presence known

[Pimpin94Spirit]

Sup, if u guys need help, feel free to askhehe, i'm not really that self opinionated, i;m onlky 17* but i can help with opinions and math.
i got a pioneer 6300
Tempest, by adire audio
Autotek 500.2
Alpine 40x2 amp
Infinity reference coaxes
all this in a red dodge spirit, hehe
http://www.sounddomain.com/member_pa...8&cat=15&val=1
thats my site

[dnewma04]

Nice sub.

[dnewma04]

This is so odd, I keep getting messages that someone is resonding to this post, but there aren't any more posts....

[78 Red Express]

wow guys im only 17 too

i have:
Pioneer 9300
Us Amps VLX-400(2400rms, 44" long)
Us Amps 4300x 4 channel
3 Jl 12W3D6 subs
Dual Batteries
1/0 wire
Phoenix Gold wiring accesories
focal components in custom kicks sooon!!!

[got20s]

hey.... i'm 17 too!!!!!! heres what i have....

96 reg cab ram..
clarion 9675
mb quart components in kick panels...
jl 6x9 in doors
single solo baric L7 ten
2.75 cu ft box ported for it
dei 1100D
crossfire 354

what else ??

take it easy

cHrIs

[Pimpin94Spirit]

well, i just reformatted my computer...now i can reply to posts i'll be more active now...a ton of 17 year olds, huh?

[dnewma04]

You guys were all in Kindergarten when I put my first system in....

[Pimpin94Spirit]

lol
i started not even a year ago...think i know quite a bit for a newbie

[volare360]

well I am 29
been into stereos since 18-my first car,no stereo,install myself
strongly for 2 years




pioneer cd player(deh P56)and 6 disc shuttle(P650)
currently kenwood spkrs-5 1/4 comp w 1" tweet in doors
soon to be kicker 5 1/4 and tweet in the kicks,and 6 3/4 in the door
kenwood 6X9 in the back
pair of MTX 10" thunder 3000 in the truck
soundstream reference 405,will be adding a 604 with the kickers

unfortunatly it is a 96 cavalier-my everyday driver
I havent decided what my summer car will be
80 volare,86 daytona turbo Z,80 short box SS ect
decisions decisions

[dnewma04]

Originally posted by Pimpin94Spirit
lol
i started not even a year ago...think i know quite a bit for a newbie

I know you have good tastes in subs.

[Pimpin94Spirit]

trying to figure out if you guys are being sarcastic, oh BTW someone hit 153 with one of them 15'd and 500 rms not bad for that shitty sub. BTW, it has better quality than a JL 12w3. not bad for $140...

[dnewma04]

I am absolutely not being sarcastic. Out of any sub that anyone owns here, I believe that you have the best sub. I have owned multiple Shivas for HT and car systems and a Tempest has been on my wish list. Great choice!

[Pimpin94Spirit]

cool to know people know how to buy subs

[78 Red Express]

dnewma, what constitues a the best subwoofer out of everyone here, every one has their own beleifs on what is better but it best to keep your opinions to your self..

[got20s]

yeah no kiddin....

so my solobaric is crap? that what ur saying? i think not
wouldn't u say most things in the world .. the higher the price.. the better the item is? thats usually the way it works... just makin a point

cHrIs

[dnewma04]

Originally posted by 78 Red Express
dnewma, what constitues a the best subwoofer out of everyone here, every one has their own beleifs on what is better but it best to keep your opinions to your self..

Out of the subs that I have heard people list as their own, I have not seen one that can compete with the tempest yet. There are some nice subs that people have, the solobaric being one of them, but from my experience, the Tempest is the best. Basically, I was just confirming to him that he indeed chose a very nice sub and I wasn't being sarcastic about it. If we couldn't express our opinion, this would be a very dull list, don't you think? Besides, did I ever say that any of the others subs suck? I don't think you'll find that anywhere in any of my posts.

Get what you pay for with subs? That's a very debatable point in a lot of ways, but IMO, no...at least not when you buy brand name car audio unless you can get it for 50% or more off the regular prices.



Below is a chart that list the maximum potential output, the output at 300 watts, compares 3 JLs vs 2 of the Kickers in both max and 300 watt inputs.

Speaker...Max SPL...(300w).....3vs2 (max)..3 vs 2 others (300w)
JL12W6....111.8.......111.8.......121.0........... 116.3
Kicker L7..118.8.......114.8.......124.8...........117.8
Shiva........119.1.......115.8.......125.1........ ...118.8
Kicker SB..114.8.......111.8.......120.8...........114.8

JL12W6
Advantages: has a 34 hz F3 which is tied for the deepest response. Requires the smallest enclosure. Has more IASCA wins than any other sub in competition history (mainly because it has existed for more than 6 years)

Disadvantages: Comparatively low power handling. Low sensitivity which is a by product of the smaller enclosure size. 11.1 mm Xmax could be better.

Kicker L7
Advantages: Good sensitivity (caused by more cone area) so it produces more sound per watt than the JL. Good power handling)

Disadvantages: Bigger box required. High F3 (40 hz) will not go as deep as a 12W6. If musical accuracy is your goal, find another sub.

Shiva
Advantages: Highest sensitivity, second highest powerhandling. Most potential SPL in every category. Lowest F3. Lowest price (115.00).

Disadvantages: 1.25 cubic foot box required.

Original Solobaric
Advantages: Smallest box.

Disadvantages: Almost everything when comparing.

Out of the JL and the new L7, the L7 is the superior sub but is new technology.

Now onto the personal opinion part. The Adire Audio Shiva is better than almost any commercial car audio product at a considerable savings. Anyone who argues bang for the buck and mentions kicker or JL audio does not understand the full scope of the products that are available. Installation and the car you have can have profound affects on the results. The above comparisons were based on maximally flat sealed systems (Q of .707) and you results may vary greatly depending on the enclosure you use. This was also measurements based on a open air setup without boundary effects (aka transfer function/cabin gain). When comparing the SQ qaulity portion, the JL stands out ahead of the L7 in accuracy but suffers a lack of output comparatively.

In terms of SQ, here are subs on the market that will utterly destroy anything that Kicker makes for less money. Check the PL series Lambda subs at www.stryke.com to find some of these. Also the DVC and Titanic subs at www.partsexpress.com and the Shiva at www.adireaudio.com.

[Pimpin94Spirit]

Yeah, price is a big factor when your making 6.50 an hour
considering that the price of the L7 is twice that of the tempest, u can have 2 15's for the price of one...i'll take 2 15's over one any day...these would eve have the same amp due to 93 db of sensitivity, but again, just my opinion.

[78 Red Express]

cosidering a 12W6 is not a 12W3!!!

i like my JL's, i like them alot. Considering i paid $350 for the trio, the are fairly priced with other subs. the W3's can take massive amounts of abuse, i have a full electrical running my VLX-400(2400rms@1ohm-very underrated) so the subs are taking around 800-1000 watts a piece and show no signs of faliure at all(except for some crazy excursion).. I doubt the shivas could take 1000-1500rms a piece.. For kicker i ammp impressed with the l7's, a comptetito i know has 1 12l7 with a ZR1000 doing a 149.8 on the dash, and 152.7 with the same amp these are awesome scores especially for street 1-2!!!

[78 Red Express]

oh and if you want to whine about pricing, my jobs pays $6.00 canadian(or 3.76 US!)

[volare360]

alot of good subs out their
my MTX'x I got used-Ive had them for 3 years now and they are still pounding
that is one of my problems
I have to find I sub I want
I will be getting 2 8" and a 12 or 15--al 2ohmers
dont know what
JL audio ranks the top of my list tho,but when I do finish the system I will have alot of shopping to do

[dnewma04]

Originally posted by 78 Red Express
cosidering a 12W6 is not a 12W3!!!

i like my JL's, i like them alot. Considering i paid $350 for the trio, the are fairly priced with other subs.

That's a great price. Probably the best I have ever seen. That would make them much more competitive with the adire products.

the W3's can take massive amounts of abuse, i have a full electrical running my VLX-400(2400rms@1ohm-very underrated) so the subs are taking around 800-1000 watts a piece and show no signs of faliure at all(except for some crazy excursion)..

What kind of box do you have them in? In JLs recommended sealed enclosure, they will run out of linear excursion at 70 hz with 1000w input power. I suspect that for the most poart you are only sending a fraction of that power to them. They only have 12mm xmax which is similar to Adire 15mm and only have a 250 watt power handling. It only takes a little over400 watts to drive the JLs to their mechanical excursion limits.

I doubt the shivas could take 1000-1500rms a piece..

This is the sentence that bugs me. You make irrational claims and then doubt a speaker you have never heard of can match it. In an SPL competition, 2 Shivas hit 156 dB with 3700 watts. What is it about the Shiva that you think makes it weaker than you JL? Is it the longer xmax and xmech? How about double the power handling? I wasn't on the attack until this message right here, but if you want to start throwing insinuations based on your obviously limited knowledge I'll be waiting anxiously to hear it. The sad part is all I did was defend someones choice of subs, and I have to get into this "My sub is better than yours because it has a JL logo on it". I never even claimed your sub, or anyone elses was bad! Hell, I owned countless subs from too many companies to mention. I wasted my money on brand name car audio, but I have learned some things, listened to others, and now I have a better and cheaper system because of it. Go to www.caraudioforums.com and tell the members there that your JLs are better than Adires products and let me know what they say.

[Pimpin94Spirit]

caraudioforum.com is one of the best forums for all around car audio...i learned alot from there chat.

[78 Red Express]

i only said that well because, well i didnt know how much their handling was...i made the claim that 3 would handle power better than 2 per say, im not saying my jl's are gods greatest gift to man..well my subs are for sale, getting some beyond audio inhumans, they will give the adires a run for their money..

my Jl's reach their full XMAX on just music, time to switch them up for 2 12's..

[Pimpin94Spirit]

you can easily run a shiva at full xmax with 200 watts RMS...matter of what box you use. i have heard of people sending kilowatts through shivas, also. check out the new brahmas, 1600 RMS, and over 2 inches one way excursion...all for under 300 dollars. guessing the 15" will be alot like the RFL, the 1000 dollar syb, for about 350...not bad...also, comes with 1 ohm DVC

[78 Red Express]

RFL is a piece of shit when used in SS applications, but they are pretty much only well made for street.