Milodon line oiling...

[cdignition]

Hi all knowing Mopar nuts...I just installed a Milodon 2 line oiling system on my moder...

I had it running yesterday, and came home tonight to play some, and It took 10/15 secs of cranking to see oil pressure on the gauge(this is just cranking, not running yet)...It never showed oil pressure before while cranking, so I dont know if its normal...Is it ok to crank it this long before I see pressure and flip the ignition switch??....it only does it sitting overnite...Input??..



I do have a System 1 filter, although it has the anti drainback valve, it may have emptied some...

[mark gates]

My single line system does the same thing after sitting overnite, CD. Definitely want to use a good drainback filter, so there's some oil in the pump. Otherwise it can be a SERIOUS problem. I usually crank mine for about ten sec and hit the ign whether is shows pressure or not. It gets right up there as soon as she fires.

[DartGT66]

Mine too looses its prime, after notdriving for a while have to crank it for about 20 seconds before the gauge shows pressure, then I put the pumps on and fire the engine. I have had this external system for two years with a Fram HP 1, and a couple of weeks propably lost a connecting rod bearing. Have not opened the engine yet, so can't rally say if the loss of the prime was the reason or some other thing.

[cdignition]

You mean it only lasted a few weeks??..or 2 years and a few weeks, lol??..I used to run a Fram HP1 filter..its good...I now run System 1...

[10sec340]

cdignition.....nice R.R. what is you motor combo,if you dont mind. i might be doing a big block next.
are those sweet times in the 1/4 on motor only or with the NOS??

[Magnum440]

Wow, you guys are scarin' me! I dont have external lines, but I thought it was supposed to be better for your moder NOt Hazzardous to it's HEALTH!!

10sec-yeah I think cd hosed it in that run..

[10sec340]

nos

[10sec340]

magnum. i don't have them either...........motor is still going strong with only 1 freshening up in 12 years!!!!!!!!!!
and nos doesn't impress me,hell i would be in the 9's on it!!!!

[Magnum440]

CD, are external lines just for race only moders?? I hope you post what finally works for you. I read another post where a guy put a dry sump system on a street car and fried the bearings at idle. He just wanted the slammed look but fired his moder in the process! Bummer!

10-sec, You gotta fast car! But I feel pressure to do the drug! My moder is made for it but I cant hook Now(!)so I dont need more power yet. But all the Chebbie guys I know have 350s on the spray and can beat me. Sooo, unless I wanna keep listening to ther crap, I'll have to get a bottle,too!

[10sec340]

magnum....are those chebbies that beat you running motor only?? i doubt it!!!!
my last race i ran a 427 small block(unreal) chevy and had him by almost a full two car lenghts, they came back the next night and wanted to spray me(2 plate systems) and give me a 2 and the leave spot!! i said ill put spray on and give him 4 cars...that was a big no from him!!!
bottom line nos is for these chevy guys that dont have horsepower!!! ill take a 10's car on motor over a 9's car on spray anyday!!!
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how did your car go today?? whats you combo if you dont mind?
Tim

[Magnum440]

10-sec, Well, the one guy said his bottle was empty and asked for the leave. I had just beat two Camaros so gave him a car. The bugger sprayed me right out of the hole and I could'nt catch him! Both these guys have 350 and tubbed S-10s and run 11s and 10s on the bottle.

My car is "in the pits" right now as I convert to all MSD system. My track times are'nt too great as I'm still getting the car sorted out, read: No traction! 72 Challenger 440 w/B1-BS heads, HughesHEV5056 solid, Ross 10 to 1, 1050 Dominator/Team-G. Trans is race built, JW rev.man w/Coan 3500 10". Rear: Richmond 4.10 in 8 3/4 489 sure-grip. Springs are all stock w/air shocks(from previous owner

Hoosier 28 x 11.5 QTP on Weld 15x8 Draglites. M/T frontrunners on 15x4 dragltes. Runs low 12s @ 115+ right now.

Yeah, I take comfort in the fact that I know these guys live in fear of the day I hook up and maybe get NOS, too! hehe

I should add that I have a 7qt Milodon pan w/1/2" pick-up and Melling pump.

[cdignition]

Mine has gone a best of 9.88#133 in the 1/4 in cooler air..I expect to be in the 9.70's this year when it cools off..I just went 9.96 @ 133 at Moroso this past Sunday...Temp was 93 in the shade, and Humidity was 60% and baro was 30.05 .

It has gone 9.54 getting out at 1000' mark...5.90's 1/8 mile...motor is mild, Footbrake only.

I expect to be going 8.90 or 9.00 by December On the bottle...thats good enough for now..

[cdignition]

ill take a 10's car on motor over a 9's car on spray anyday!!!

Not me...Ill take a small shot of NOS and be running low 9's or maybe High 8's all day, and not even have to open the hood...I only run a 175 shot, which is small..I can go 400 if I want to..

[Magnum440]

CD, I think my car weighs about 1000 lbs more than yours! Dang it! I need to go on a diet--I mean my car--er,uh both of us, that is!

Hey, can you reveal how you solved the drain back problem,etc.?? I would lke to go to external if its suitable for a street/strip car like I have?

btw, good luck on assault on the 8s, also, Have you considered gettin a 'chute??--you may need it!!

[cdignition]

Yeah...If I hit 150, will need one..we have nice long tracks, and I have nice new brakes, lol..

IT is pretty light, and that saves alot of wear/breakage...it weighs about 3100 with me in it all ready to go, so its not super light...

The best way to solve the drain back deal is an accumulator...this along with a elecrically operated switch valve will load the oiling system before starting...


I think I actually kept the RPM too low..I started it up over the weekend, and rapped it up quick, and it came right up....no real worries with Mobil 1.

[DartGT66]

Like I said, I have used a FRAM HP 1 filter. Previously with the internal system I have had no problem with them but I have heard a lot of bad talk about them. Which filter would you recommend? I would like not to use an accumulator in my "sleeper" since the engine compartment room is already pretty limited.

[mark gates]

There's nothing wrong with the Fram HP1 as long as they are changed OFTEN-no more than 500mi. street driving. The media is very fine and plugs quickly; there's very little that gets past it. It's the regular Frams you want to stay away from-the PH series. Very often the drainback feature on these doesn't work.

[DartGT66]

I figure that since I loose the prime I have problems with the drain back valving of the filter. But I have not opened the engine yet, so I don't know what caused the bearing problem, there may be other reasons too than the lack of lubrication in the start up.