supercharging the 2.2 - Moparchat

2.2lover · #1 09-16-2002, 12:17 AM

anyone ever do it before? buddy in town here has one thats a super sixty turbo with paxton supercharger. been toying with the concept myself anyone with any good or bad experiences?

mpbiv · #2 09-16-2002, 01:13 AM

WHA????

Super 60 Turbo with a Paxton Supercharger? Maybe you need to explain more because it seems you are talking about two different things.

I will venture to guess the few people that have supercharged a 2.2 had a Direct connection blower with carbs back in the 80's when they sold that stuff.

99intense4x4 · #3 09-16-2002, 05:23 PM

The only supercharged setup i've seen for the 2.2/2.5 is a roots style blower sold by Direct Connection back in the eighties.

Looked similar to this:

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/shelby/shelby_5.jpg

A74speedy · #4 09-16-2002, 09:29 PM

So where would one look to find one of these? I know I know..they grow on trees there are so many around

But really if I was lucky and found one..what do you think I would be looking at as a price?

Speedy....

mpbiv · #5 09-16-2002, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by A74speedy
So where would one look to find one of these? I know I know..they grow on trees there are so many around But really if I was lucky and found one..what do you think I would be looking at as a price?

Speedy....

Only way you will probably find one is on ebay or for sale by a private owner. It would be very unlikely (but not impossible) that you would find one of these in a scrapyard.

A74speedy · #6 09-16-2002, 10:26 PM

Well lets pretend for a minute and say I found one worth buying...what would be a ball park price?

Speedy....

99intense4x4 · #7 09-16-2002, 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by A74speedy
Well lets pretend for a minute and say I found one worth buying...what would be a ball park price?

Speedy....

I saw one on Ebay a few years ago, and I want to say it was sitting around the $900 pricerange at the time.

A74speedy · #8 09-17-2002, 07:49 PM

OUCH!!! and my dreams come crumbling down! Oh well it was a nice thought!

Speedy....

Dennis Jokela · #9 09-18-2002, 08:14 PM

I suppose if you went to a wrecking yard and found a Thunderbird Super Coupe you could adapt it to a 2.2.

Dennis Jokela

mpbiv · #10 09-18-2002, 10:50 PM

If you really, absolutely, positively want to supercharge a 2.2/2.5 and assuming finding a direct connection SC is not an option (which BTW were only for carb applications anyways). I would suggest a centrifugal sc like a vortech or paxton.

You could get a supercharger from a bonneville SSEi or a Thunderbird SC but being its a roots type you would have to find a way to mount it to the intake manifold. With a centrifugal its like plumbing a turbo, plus you could probably mount it where the AC compressor goes.

Probably go with carbs or turbo electronics. I would think that you could do it on TBI converted to MPI with a rising rate fuel pressure regulator, except there might be a possibility that the computer will be confused by positive pressure readings in the MAP sensor. I am not sure.

2.2lover · #11 09-19-2002, 02:17 AM

i dont gota pic of my buddies yet but his has a shaft that runs the whole length of the front of the motor and sits where his airbox/battery used to be(battry in the trunk now) i been in his car and have seen the boost gauge sit right on 30 psi and he has never blown it up yet.......yet anyway and he also has a super 70 turbo kit on the car as well but no intercooler...apparently the sc does that for you.

FearThe4Doors · #12 09-24-2002, 04:09 AM

those DC/B&M blowers really werent good. A few guys have tried to make them work but tuning the engine to them is a pain. And you're boost limited with them. They prefered a turbo.

Mopard · #13 09-25-2002, 10:15 PM

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i been in his car and have seen the boost gauge sit right on 30 psi and he has never blown it up yet.......yet anyway

I thought that my 2.2 turbo motor (non intercooled) with small intake, boosting 16-17 psi was good.

2.2lover · #14 09-26-2002, 02:38 AM

non intercooled 17 psi! what kinda gas you put in that thing!!??

Mopard · #15 09-26-2002, 07:02 PM

I always use 93 oct. I use 94 when I am traveling. It does have A MP computer with 903 injectors

Mopard · #16 09-26-2002, 07:04 PM

It does 16 to 17 psi until the over boost protection shuts it down momentary.

2.2lover · #17 09-28-2002, 12:08 AM

i tried running avgas in my glh didn't seem to make to big a diff though. you got alcohol/water injection????

Mopard · #18 09-28-2002, 04:48 AM

No just a MP computer with 903 injectors. It has a 42 or 46mm throttle body, somethink like that. It is supposed to have a 48mm I think. I get all the numbers mixed up. Oh and it has a MSD system also but that did nothing noticeable.

2.2lover · #19 09-29-2002, 02:52 PM

alcohol makes a big difference at those levels of boost!!!! just fill you windshield res. with 50/50 alcohol water and put a second pump through the lid then graft it somewhere near the intake make a big difference past 10 psi dude

2.2lover · #20 09-29-2002, 02:56 PM

and if ya wanna get real tech. set it up on a pressure switch

Mopard · #21 09-29-2002, 09:39 PM

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just fill you windshield res. with 50/50 alcohol water and put a second pump through the lid then graft it somewhere near the intake make a big difference past 10 psi

I do remember hearing something like that at one time but I don't remember what it was.

Could I use the orignal pump with the windshield res? Can I then use a tube and direct it into the throtle body itself? The car is a Multiport Injection.

Also what Problems could this cause?

2.2lover · #22 09-30-2002, 12:22 AM

yeah i seen that too but then you cant spray your windows.....as for any side effects i havent heard of any but i know it make your mixture more dense somehow.

Mopard · #23 10-01-2002, 12:35 AM

I do not use the bottle to wash my windows anyway. I even removed it. I also replaced it with another one because it leaked, and the second one leaked also. I got tired of the low washer fluid light staying on all the time so I removed the bulb. I never did find out why it leaked.

Can I use the tube and direct it into the throttle body. The car is a Multiport Injection.

2.2lover · #24 10-01-2002, 06:43 PM

no its got to spray must build some pressure.....i siliconed a window sprayer of an old wiper arm just before the intake.

Mopard · #25 10-01-2002, 10:14 PM

Could you send me some pics of what it looks like? Sounds like a great idea. I would like to call it "THE POOR MANS NITROUS " LOL

2.2lover · #26 10-02-2002, 08:45 AM

poor mans intercooling.

2.2lover · #27 10-02-2002, 08:47 AM

supposed to get the car back this weekend.....at a friends shop 2 hrs away..... he welding in full subframes connecters and rollcage.

Mopard · #28 10-03-2002, 03:12 AM

As for the intercooling, I plan on adding a intercooler in the future. Or can you add an intercooler with a ram air system?

As for the rollcage I had thought about adding one to my car but do not want the extra weight.

mpbiv · #29 10-03-2002, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Mopard
As for the intercooling, I plan on adding a intercooler in the future. Or can you add an intercooler with a ram air system?

As for the rollcage I had thought about adding one to my car but do not want the extra weight.

Don't they only require those when you start running below a certain ET? If so its probably best to wait until you are close to hitting the ET requirement for it.

Mopard · #30 10-07-2002, 09:48 PM

All of this is plans that I have in the future for the car.

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