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Old 10-01-2002, 04:30 AM
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Default Attention Roger H test engine for new sb manifold

Roger did you get to test the manifold on the engine built by Herb Mccandless? Was there a mixup with the right motor ? Did the motor have the Indy/ edelbrock heads? If so can you tell us any info on them? Thanks !
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Old 10-01-2002, 01:00 PM
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No, the manifold has not been tested yet, and is on hold since I don't have time until after all the stuff is done for SEMA. We did run the first test with Indy/Edelbrock heads, but it was their standard set, and not the fully port and polished version, which the motor needs. So testing is on hold at the moment, and has been in discussion about what we are going to do about it.

I am hoping to get some more testing done soon, so then we can move on to tooling, if we get really good results compared to a Victor 340 manifold. I would really like to do the W2 version also. I think it would really work great on the stroked SB engines with about 400 ci.
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Old 10-02-2002, 03:19 AM
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So roger , what were the results with the standard indy /edelbrocks? Not real good are they? What did the motor have done to it ? Are those HPM mag articles correct ?
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Old 10-02-2002, 08:29 AM
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Hey Roger...

I recently looked at Wilson Manifolds test on the Super Victor and they increased the air flow dramatically over your "out of the box" design....so... why don't you make a TRUE Super Victor and build it like they do right from the start?
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Old 10-02-2002, 12:14 PM
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The SB was run with a back to back test comparison of a Victor 340 to a prototype Super Victor. There wasn't much of a difference between them, maybe 5 HP higher for the Super Victor, but it had up to 15 HP more in the mid range.

The motor was a high lift, like .638 lift comp cams competition type grind. I think it was a .030 over bore. Standard stroke, and about 11:1 compression. We were using AL rods and lightened crank. We were hoping to hit close to 600 HP with the engine, but ended up around 525 with the standard set of heads, which I was really impressed with, given the flow on the heads.

So, why doesn't a Super Victor perform well, right out of the box? That's an easy one!!! They are meant to be bolted on right out of the box. Since it is a casting, and most of the time, you don't know what heads it will be bolted onto.....the port exit sizes are left cast about the same as a stock manifold. There is more material left on the runners so the port exits can be opened up to match the heads and then blend it back up the runner.

Race manifolds, are not meant to run or flow to their true potential, "out of the box". Anyone could make a Super Victor flow better, by just gasket matching the ports and doing a little port work on the port exits.
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Old 10-02-2002, 12:35 PM
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OK that all makes sence but, from what I could tell they added more top on it and reworked the plenum dividers considerably.

Have you seen the article on their web site?

What manifold were they working on?

You going to the PRI show in December?
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I heard a rumor about a victor series head any truth to it? I think they would sell great. If you really want to makes me happy you could rerelease the STR series intakes
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Old 10-02-2002, 03:18 PM
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cuda....

I couldn't find any articles on the Wilson site. Maybe its not there anymore?

No, I probably wont be at PRI....they don't let us out much. They keep us caged in this office most of the time, just throw in some banana's every now and then, and keep the water bucket full!

It looks like Wilson hasn't changed that part of their site, but they recently broke their partnership with us. Going to do their own thing. I don't know the details of it, but thats what I heard.

fastback...

Yes, I have heard that people have been requesting a Victor series head, but it is not on a to-do list in engineering.

STR series??? Hehe...must have been way before my time!
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Goos thing I saved the secret link...shhh don't tell anyone
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Old 10-02-2002, 04:56 PM
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There it is!

Yeah....they really port out the manifold. The milling on the port exit is just like what a guy would do with a grinder to gasket match the manifold to a head. Wilson does a nice CNC job to open it up and also cleaning up the casting in the plenum and divider walls.

What I would find interesting is seeing flow numbers from their CNC work to a guy with a grinder. I bet just opening up the port exits and blending it back to the runner makes up most of the flow difference from right out of the box.
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Roger, when you say 525 with standard heads , what is standard and what did they flow? Does standard mean edels , or indy /edels ? That motor made 602 with standard edels with some port work and 630 with the indy/edels ported. Am I correct ?
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STR series?!?!?!?!............YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!
Rohger, STR stands for Street Tunnel Ram. Old intakes that comand alot of money IF you can find them. Nice stuff.
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Old 10-04-2002, 12:39 PM
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vc360.....

The standard head I was talking about was the standard Indy/Edelbrock, that flows about 175 cfm. I don't know what the testing results with the engine were before, except that it made about 620 HP with the prototype Indy/Edelbrock heads that were fully port and polished.

rumble....

Ahhhhh....the lightblub has come on! Those were canceled a while ago since they were so expensive to make, and I think the sales dwindled off. I think the only tunnel ram type manifolds we make are ones for Mercruiser.
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"Hot Rod Project"

My buddy has a 70 Cuda, 440, 6 pack, shaker hood, factory original, 28,000 miles, 4 speed car for sale...I think he was asking $40,000.00

I'll tell him to hold it for you......for what...10 or 12 years....lol

Maybe Vic will buy it for you for your Xmas bonus?
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Old 10-04-2002, 05:21 PM
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LMAO!!!!

I would more likey get

I do my job for the love of it! Maybe I'll get the shift knob this year......so I'd better work here for like 1000 years to get the whole car!

Or, maybe if I stay long enough to be a VP, I could but like 5 of those cars with my bonus. I was lucky enough to buy a weeks of groceries with mine! Just a few cases of for
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