To much cam?

[360 Coronet]

I'd like to put my old cam back into my engine.
The camshaft is a: 00043LK, I still have the lifters.

This is taken from the Lunati website:

Lunati "STREET/STRIP" HYDRAULIC

Description: Great performance cam with a good idle. Strong low- to mid-RPM torque and power.

RPM Range: 2000-5500

Duration:

Adv In/Exh: 292°/292°
@ .050" In/Exh: 230°/230°

Lift:

@ Valve In/Exh: .480"/.480"
@ Lobe In/Exh: .320"/.320"

Lope Sep Int C/L

109° Sep
107° Int C/L

Opens/Closes @ .050

08°BTC 42°ABC /
46°BBC 04°ATC

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The car has a 360, .30 over, rebuilt 10k ago. Stock heads, 1 5/8 headers, 2 1/2 inch exhaust, Flowmaster's, edlebrock 650cfm carb w/Torker 340 single plance intake.

I can get a Holley 750 double pumper fast from a freind of my dad if that would work better.

Thats all i can say about the engine that I know or, I was left outta the loop when the engine died and went for a rebuild.

I have the cam in the garage, and I'd love to put it back in. It's a matter of wether or not the engine can handle it for a street and sometimes strip car.

The tranny is a 904, and I don't make gobs of power so I'm not worried about it, the tranny held once with it, I'm pretty sure it can hold again "knock on wood". It was rebuilt 5 months ago to, so it's not 30 years old like it once was. But I do not have a stall converter, so stock stall. The only problem is the car likes to move forward at lights with it in, which is a pain, can't let up on the brakes.

The car has no a/c, but has power steering.

Anything you guys see that I should do to my car, so I can use this cam? If you have questions ask, I'll answer to the best of m

[ajmopar]

Too much cam, or not enough Converter or Compression. That cam would need 9.5:1 or better compression, a 3000+ stall converter not to mention 3.91 to 4:30 gears to work properly.

Trust me, I ran a 284 degree cam in a stock 360 - can you say dog?

Lighten up on the cam specs and you'll be much happier, or crank up the compression, loosen up the converter and get some gears, and let it rock.

[360 Coronet]

Although I will say it was sweet when it was in, man, thud thud thud... Such a sweet idle in the car.

Sigh, one day I will get it back in the car.

[turbododge]

If you like the lopey idle, just get a tamer came with narrower lobe spacing, that should let you keep the sound!

[rumblefish360]

http://www.compcams.com/catalog/
Try a look @ there extreme cams. The XE268H is a slight smaller.or there Magnum cam 20-214-4 @ 224 @ .050.
IMO that Lunati "STREET/STRIP" HYDRAULIC is junk and should be used for a sinker on a shark line in the ocean.
Heres one more reason not to use it. It's used and worn in a new engine.

[6 packin]

I have a similar setup in my duster or did have. 360 .030 over bore with KB #107's. 360 heads with 2.02 intake 340 torker, and a 750 Holley vacum carb! The trans was a 727 with a 3000 RPM Fairbanks converter. It had a 4.30 gear in it. WoW did it run for a old flat top engine. Switched to a 2.76 ratio to now a 3.55 suregrip. I was tring to run down vibration problems. Plan on going back to a 3.91 or 4.10 gear also. The car ran good even with the 2.76 gear. The 3.55 was a way better cruizer but i like the added take off of the deeper gears. AKA 3.91! It all come out for a 500 horse 440 with 2 600 cfm Holleys now! Thanks to Shumachers engine mounts and Tri Y headers. Makes it to easy for a big block!

[360 Coronet]

The cam was used for less than 750 miles, my engine lost all the oil, boom. It was dead, when rebuilt they took out the cam, and gave me a basic stock replacement.

I did have vibration problems from the cam though, the tranny tunnel was bangin all around. When I first started the car "with the Lunati cam in it" the car scared the shit outta me . That feeling hasn't left my system yet. I was giddy like a girl going to prom.

Sigh, well I did take the a/c belt off, and found a bit of power. Old, stomp the gas and the back end lets loose. New, stomp the gas and the back end lets loose and goes squirrley. My a/c compressor had locked in place over time, so it would spin slower and slower until it locked. Well, when I finally figured it out, and took the belt off there was some lost power back!

Any suggestions on an x-tream cam with a good idle noise that would add power on my car the way it is?

Or how about a small power loss, and when I change heads to some hi-po edlebrock heads this spring/summer it will gain more?

Just ramblin' ya'll. All in good spirit

I'm more or less at a loss for cam's.

Thanx for your time guys, it is really appreciated.

[440cj]

HEy 6packin, what were your vibration issues??? I've got one of my own... 440cj

[360 Coronet]

How about this cam guys?

It was the only one that didn't say it needed any special parts to be installed.

The 268 intake needed all this:
Recommended parts:
* Lifters: CCA-822-16
* Valve springs: CCA-901-16 (stock springs can not be used)
* Retainers: CCA-744-16
* Valve locks: CCA-604-16
* Valve seals: CCA-504-16
* 1992 and up Dodge Magnum engines require the use of rocker arm kit CCA-1425KIT.

This is the 262:

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=12693

Specifications:
* Advertised duration: 262 intake/270 exhaust
* Duration at .050 in. cam lift: 218 intake/224 exhaust
* Gross valve lift: .462 in. intake/.470 in. exhaust
* Lobe separation: 110 degrees
* RPM range: 1,300 to 5,600
* Noticeable idle, works with 3.23-3.55 gears

Am I able to do that? How noticeable is that idle?

Thanx again guys for your patience.

[dirty dan]

Originally posted by ajmopar
Too much cam, or not enough Converter or Compression. That cam would need 9.5:1 or better compression, a 3000+ stall converter not to mention 3.91 to 4:30 gears to work properly.

- can you say dog?

Lighten up on the cam specs and you'll be much happier, or crank up the compression, loosen up the converter and get some gears, and let it rock.

aj mopar speaks truth
take heed

[360 Coronet]

My old Lunati cam, if I put stall, gears and more compression should I put it back in?

From Rumblefish
"IMO that Lunati "STREET/STRIP" HYDRAULIC is junk and should be used for a sinker on a shark line in the ocean.
Heres one more reason not to use it. It's used and worn in a new engine."

I had the old cam in for less than 1,000 miles, about only 750 miles, is the cam still good?

I can post and host pics on the web for ya'll to see, so you can tell me if that would help.

[6 packin]

Comps Xtreme!
The 20-223-3 will be a great cam! The idle sound will be there the one that goes lump lump! And power will be graet!

here is the specs! dur@.050 lift!

224/230 477/480

20-224-4
the next one id real hot great power a high stahl like atleast 2500 and will work with 3.55's but work alot better with 3.91's


230/236 488/491
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The vibration was coming from a few things! Rearend and driveshaft! Man them things will make you want to burn her! Just keep at it!

[360 Coronet]

I'll see if I can find some more info on the Comp cams Xtreme 20-223-3, thanx again ya'll.

Hope to help ya'll on your problems soon.

Jesse.

[fastback340]

id look for something around 218 to 224 @.050" duration. something like a comp cams magnum 268 or xtream energy 21-222-3 these cam are ground on a 110 degree lobe seperation angle. want more lump? you can try a isky mega cam either the 264megacam or 270megacam. there ground on a tighter lobe seperatoin @ 108 degrees theyll be choppy. these cams are gonna want atleast 323 355or 391s would be better. there as big as Id go with your motor with its low compression and stock converter.

[BrianU]

I've been running the XE268 (20-223-3) for three years. You can hear it here:

http://users2.ev1.net/~jbuccello/idle.mpg

http://users2.ev1.net/~jbuccello/1_2_burout.mpg

http://users2.ev1.net/~jbuccello/1_2_burout.mpg

It's a great camshaft with stock intake & exhaust manifolds!

[360 Coronet]

BrianU, what gears do you run?

[BrianU]

My factory A/C Duster 340 weights 3500Lbs with me buckled in. I run 3.55's with 245-60-14's on the street and 235/60-14 M&H stickys at the track. best ET, 13.598 @ 103.41Mph. Through the traps @ 5300Rpm.

With 4.10's and the the same 235/60-14's, 13.39 @ 103.54Mph. Through the traps @ 6000Rpm.

Shift @ 5900Rpm

[rumblefish360]

Hey BrainU;

Nice looking car there. I had 2 myself. Miss the moon roofed 3spd on the floor fold down rear seat Duster the most. That was a cool ride. (Sniff, sniff) She had a 318 and was sure grip equiped.

360 Coronet, you can use that cam again. Make sure the liffters go back in the same bores as when you first slid it in. But, like I said before....
There are better grinds out there to use in your ride. That maker isn't a MoPar grinder. They don't care with those spec cams. They do have better grinds to run than the one you have.
Trust us here. Go to other boards for a second opion if you want. Lunati cams aren't up to snuff.
Other cams with the same duration have bigger lifts and longer durations @ .050 than the Lunati.
Other cams with the same lift have shorter durations (Advertised) than the lunati.
Your cam that you posted ilooks preety good. Better to error on the small side than to large. To large ='s dog.
I'll post after church and a look at the cam at the link you posted.
I forgot to mention Edel. brocks AFb are NOT 650's. there 600's. Unless you have the new AVS's there reproduceing. (???)

Take a tip from BrainU

[360 Coronet]

I think your right on the carb, it is probly a 600 cfm, but I haven't look real hard for any #'s on it.

I know your right on the cam. I just have wishful thinking.

I'm bummin right now over my drag #'s.

[rumblefish360]

http://edelbrock.com/ Can tell you what you have.

I know your right on the cam. I just have wishful thinking.

So do I. Keep wishing and try for the brass ring.
Nail the gas when it's yellow.
You'll get what your looking for. Just keep at it.

[BrianU]

Rumblefish, thanks for the complement.

360 Coronet, what part of Houston are you from? I'm up on the north side of town and am a member of the Woodlands Car Club. We meet across from the mall every Saturday night. Come on up and I'll show you how a good running stock appearing 340 runs!

[360 Coronet]

I'm on the South side, Clear Lake.

Until my tail lights work, I'm not going to venture very far from home, I need to redo some electrical. I've gotten to a point with my car, I won't pay anyone to do minor work on the car, feels good Anything welding, or like trans work I let the shop do. Brakes, etc. Everything else I've done myself lately.

Anyway, once thats done, I'll have a look.

I've been messing around with shifting around my place, found that if I hold first till about 5400 +/- 100, and keep the gas matted to the ground, when it goes to second the tires almost break loose. It also sounds real mean going to the flows. But gas went up. After 5400 the engine falls on its face basically. Just stops going u[, levels off.

Felt good, and I know I have more HP than the 200 the HP calculators on the internet show. There is now way I make that little.

Were you at the Mopar show and race Oct. 5-6???
Did you see this car:



Ok, I've posted enough. Talk to ya'll later.