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Old 02-19-2003, 05:36 PM
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Default A FordPar? How about a MoFord?

Does anyone know if it's possible to mate a 5.9 Mopar up to a '65 Ford 3 speed top loader tranny? If it is.. the S/ant will find new life...
I'm not worried about motor mounts or anything as the bay of my Ford is a cavern and my torch and welder are itching for some fun... but that bellhousing may be an issue. Anyone have any ideas? I'll put any tranny in the truck as long as I can keep the column shift 3 speed manual. i've got the 5.9 almost ready to begin assembling and the six is getting REALLY tired...

Any takers on this crazy little idea? If it can't be done with the top loader.. any chrysler 3 speed trannies that I could jerry rig to work with my column shift and clutch? Thx!
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Old 02-19-2003, 07:08 PM
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Old 02-19-2003, 10:59 PM
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oh come on... better than sticking a ford motor into a chrysler! Think of it as giving the ford some soul :-)

Naah, actually my mother out a halt on my small block going into the chrysler... and there's no sense in a motor sitting around worthless. Plus my six is getting tired.
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Old 02-19-2003, 11:03 PM
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Modify your linkage & put a mopar tranny behind it. This will be the easiest way to install what you have. The 3 or 4 speed mopar trannys should be near the same length as yours. You'll just have to modify the mounting points anyway & driveshaft spline yoke will need to be changed to match mopar tranny. Since your not using the original mount positions, you can adjust where the eng/trans set for the driveshaft to be proper length. I really dont believe that it will be very much change in shaft length.
I would make all of these setups with a bare block & tranny put together. This will allow you to get all parts matching without fighting all the weight of a completed unit.
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Old 02-20-2003, 01:32 AM
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How about Faux-Par, or Fo-Par for you anti Frenchies. I personally like the Freedom Fries some resteraunts are now serving.

Hey France..Faux You! HAHAHA
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Old 02-20-2003, 01:38 PM
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ask a very good tech question, get stupid answers from guys that call them self mopar guys. it can be done but you would have to put your expertise to work or consult a ALL AROUND person who could guide you. guys that build t-bucket type cars are the best to consult. sorry about some of the answers you got here but from time to time some of these guys forget that automobile just doesnt refer to mopar. good luck.
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Old 02-20-2003, 02:55 PM
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When did that change?? I thought the only automobiles were MOPARS - everything else is just cars.
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Old 02-20-2003, 03:03 PM
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"Mopar, the only REAL automobiles. Everything else deserves a mother driving it with 4 soccer kids in the back on the way to the grocery store"

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Old 02-20-2003, 06:32 PM
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what about drilling holes in the bellhousing to match the holes in the block? you'd have to get it pretty strait, but i'm sure it's possible...

an idea:

put a MoPaR tranny up to the ford tranny (bellhousing to bellhousing), and mark, or even drill the holes that way... just be sure its strait...

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you could just use a MoPaR tranny and modify the linkage..or use the MoPaR tranny, get rid of the column, cut a hole with your torch and use a floor shifter... but that wouldn't be any fun!

my $.02...
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Old 02-20-2003, 06:46 PM
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Input shaft length & pilot bushing size? Diameter of front bearing retainer plate - what the heck is it called?
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Old 02-20-2003, 06:50 PM
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good point....have to make sure that'll all fit...
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Old 02-21-2003, 05:06 AM
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There are only two types of vehicles: Mopars and wind catching junk.
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Old 02-21-2003, 06:36 AM
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It's cool, I'm all for it. The trend seems to be changing from putting chevy engines in everything to putting Mopars in gm,s and fords. It's cool.

The easiest way to do it would be to mount and automatic behind it. You could even use a modern overdrive. Now that would be cool. You would just need to make the driveshaft and the mounts, get an aftermarket shifter and you're on your way. A little over simplified I know.

Mating your ford bellhousing to the Mopar would be a ton of work and expensive specialized machine work. Anything can be done it's just a matter of is it worth being done. IMHO the answer in this case is hell no.

Good luck to you. By the way one of my techs has a 33 ford PU with all Chrysler drivetrain in it and under it.
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Old 02-21-2003, 05:49 PM
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funny doug, real funny.
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Old 02-21-2003, 05:55 PM
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?? and I'll double that??
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I get so tired of seeing old Dodges and PLYs or HOT ROD fords with 350 Shivies in them. It would be cool to see more fords and chevys with MOPAR POWER.
Especially if ya already got one, but put a mopar tranny behind it. Easier and cheaper in the long run. COOL
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Old 02-23-2003, 03:41 AM
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How about not polluting a Mopar with any Degenerate Motors or Phords parts at all? And I also wouldn't lower myself to put a Chrysler engine into anything but a Mopar.
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How about not polluting a Mopar with any Degenerate Motors or Phords parts at all? And I also wouldn't lower myself to put a Chrysler engine into anything but a Mopar.
why be like everyone else? dare to be different!! go for it man! ford car with all MoPaR powertrain! seems kinda like a sleeper to me...people will be expecting a no-power phurd piece of iron under the hood...
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Old 02-23-2003, 05:25 PM
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PAW use to have lots of adaptor stuff to mate diff trannys befind diff motors! The catalog I have is Fall of 93, sorda outdated dont you think?
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Old 02-23-2003, 10:09 PM
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yeah, just a little bit outdated... i have the spring 2002, that my college teacher has for gaskets for 3.0L ford v-6's we're rebuilding in class...

i'll probably get a 2003 issue with my next order for bearings...

turns out, my crank is trashed. i don't know how, but it is. i kept EVERYTHING clean, torqued everything down correctly, and primed it before start... i dunno...i'll try it again (IF my crank can be turned...), and i'll have to really pay attention to everything. any small snag, and i'll ask y'all first, not my machinest or uncle cause they're both chevy guys that thought there were 3 oil plugs on front....which there are only 2, right next to the cam...
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Old 02-23-2003, 10:30 PM
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OK - First, I'm a hotrodder... 2nd, I'm a MOPAR fan.

I think that twisting wrenches to improve performance in anything is WAY better than either sitting on the sideline or simply having no clue. I also think that if you have MOPAR power train components that aren't linked to the car they were originally installed in, then it's better to put them in something than to leave them on the garage floor.

Go for it - you will really be making a statement.
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Old 02-23-2003, 10:37 PM
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As some of you may know the four wheel drive folks have put just about any engine in any chassis. They also swap transmissions and transfer cases into just about anything. One of the companies that makes adapters is http:/www.advanceadapters.com/newidea.html
I am sure there are others but these folks willl give you an idea of what's available.
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Old 02-23-2003, 10:48 PM
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Another is Trans-Dapt.
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Old 02-24-2003, 03:29 AM
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Pardon me while I vomit. You guys bash GM and Ford drivetrains going into Mopars, but you applaud just the opposite. A bit hypocritical, isn't it?
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Old 02-24-2003, 06:50 AM
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Not really. Putting a Ford or GM motor in a Mopar would diminish it. Putting a Mopar into a Ford or GM is improving the vehicle.
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Old 02-25-2003, 02:35 PM
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I've had this argument before and I'm not going to through this dance again. But I will not, I repeat, will not, condone the bastardization of of any car. If a '48 Buick sedanette has a Buick 455 engine, I have no problem with that, the same way if someone were to put a Chrysler 360 into a '87 Daytona. So to answer my own question, yes, it is hypocritical to put a Mopar engine in another manufacturer's car, while condemning the opposite. If you are a true Mopar fan, show it by driving a Mopar powered Mopar.
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Old 02-25-2003, 04:49 PM
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You're wrong..... but, at least, you're wrong in the right direction.


Oh, wait.... That's your opinion, right?

In that case, I'll let you keep it - and, very generously, I've given you mine - for FREE!!
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Old 02-25-2003, 09:10 PM
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Guy's, if you put an engine from one manufacture in anothers chassis let everyone know. I have & it didnt make the vehicle worth more or less, cause I did it to please me. The person who purchased everyone of them liked it or they would not have bought it.
Dont get me wrong, if I was concerned about a quality restro it would be another subject.
Now lets see if I can remember some of them :

1969 chevy custom p/u with 383 mopar & 727 tranny
1931 ford roadster p/u with 350 chevy & th350
1940 ford 2 door with 454 chevy & muncie 4spd
1980 jeep with 350 chevy to jeep tranny
1984 jeep with 340 mopar to jeep tranny
1979 chevy luv with 340 mopar & 727 tranny
1969 nova with 340 & 727 tranny
1954 Chevy p/u with ford 428 cj & c4 tranny
among the countless of motorcycles that I/ve swapped engines with other brands jus to piss people off when I raced them.
It all has to do with what you like. I like to be different in everything I do & use. More power to you if you like to be that way!
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Old 02-25-2003, 10:46 PM
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This is crazy! All i can say for transmissions is to use a mopar. if you use the engine why not the trans? I read in a 4X4 mag a while back about a auto floor shift that looked like a 4 speed shifter. I think that a manual valve body was recomended. But I dont even know what exactly that does. Anyways a floor shift might be easier. If you are using a SB I'd suggest a overdrive. It would save the 5.9 gas while trying to drag that pherd.
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