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Old 06-17-2003, 02:55 PM
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Default DUAL HEADERSGASKETS,,GOOD OR BAD??

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Recived new Gaskets from TTi´s caused by constant leakage at cyl nr 8 even after three attempt to solve it!
First was with originals TTi´s without silicon,dry bolted on, immediately causing leakage at nr 8.
The gasket went into fragments when I open the bolts to solve it!

Second was dry moparperformance original metal/fiber stock manifold type gaskets,,same leakage.
Third was the last of the pair of MP original covered with a THICK string of red silicone,, same nr 8 leakage!

Now before my fourth attempt I will solve it once for all!
The tech specialist on TTi told me to just put them on,,maybe with a thin coat of silicone,,,Im not sure if I survive a fifth split,, so is it better to use dual sets of gaskets with silicone or any good tip is extremely appreciated!!
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One more,,I have NO,,NO,,ZERO bent or flex built in to the collectors flange,,the tube fit like a glove at that point!!


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Old 06-17-2003, 04:56 PM
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I don't know if it helps, but dual gaskets was the only way we could solve header leak on my roommate's '73 Monte Carlo. I know, it's a Chebbie, but......

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Old 06-17-2003, 05:13 PM
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I solve my header gasket leak a few years ago by using 2 set of gasket. I cover them with a good coat of copper silicon on every face and let them dry, then install them, warm up the engine & retorque. Then every second day I retorque them for a week that last until I remove them (2 years). I now have a set of TTI and didn't have that problem. Work for me.


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Old 06-17-2003, 07:37 PM
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I would try to get another set from tti. for that money, they should bolt in trouble free. Since you have put them in at least 3 times, I would assume warped flanges or they are hitting something. I fixed my header leaks by doubling up gaskets (one stock/one regular header gasket) and cutting between sets of bolt holes. BUT that was a hundred dollar set of hedmans, and your tti's probably cost a bundle

either way, you might want to start leaning on the guys at tti. You should not have to be going through this
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Old 06-18-2003, 12:19 AM
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I went through what your going thru + after 140 bucks in gaskets I got copper gaskets.The copper gaskets if they leak you just run the car till there hot + then tighten them back up it heats the copper + bends it to what you want I went through paper ,steel all that + nothing worked one set of coppers + they haven't leaked in 5 years.
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Old 06-18-2003, 12:19 AM
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OK,,I will test the dual gasket trick!!

Sounds intresting with the copper,,but they are a fortune to add on top of everything new this season!!

I also thought about cutting the flange between 6 and 8 !?

I hope that will remove any stress built in!
Ill guess it couldent hurt anything,,comments?

The tube isnt hitting anything even if its close to the trans oilpan!!

And yes, a new set would have been preciated!! But After Ive talked to them in person Ive got an agreement they will pay any necessary milling or machinework to make them work insted of sending a new one to europe for a million bucks in shipping cost!!

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Old 06-18-2003, 01:03 AM
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On our cars we take the stock parts store gaskets that look like metal on one side and paper on the other and use red high temp rtv to glue the paper sides together and install. They last all season that way.
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Old 06-18-2003, 01:27 AM
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Mine didnt!!
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Old 06-18-2003, 01:33 AM
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I left part of that out, sorry. We use two of those gaskets glued together. I forgot to say we used two sets there, sorry, getting late and need sleep I guess.
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Sounds like its time to get the MIG welder out.... HAHA
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Old 06-18-2003, 01:40 AM
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Not you again. I thought you went to bed or something. See the top ten please.
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Old 06-18-2003, 01:45 AM
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Could it be leaking thrue the weld at tube against flange??
OR do you meen I could weld them onto my 906!!
Exellent idea!!
That way they sure wont cause any more leakage!
No,, back to buisness!!
Could they leak by some minor pore??
I doubt that,, but anything could be possible!
I will make it like this,,:
Glue two gaskets together,,using red silicone thick string,,Q is IF I shall cut the flange to remove any flex in the plate?
I will make it on friday,,so I still have time for your expert advices!!
THANKS!!
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I mig welded my 3.9L's exhaust manifolds onto my heads when broken exhaust bolts wouldn't come out. Thats what I'm refering to. dwc doesn't think it was a good idea. But what does he know
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Old 06-18-2003, 01:48 AM
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I mig welded my 3.9L's exhaust manifolds onto my heads when broken exhaust bolts wouldn't come out. Thats what I'm refering to. dwc doesn't think it was a good idea. But what does he know

Just keep it up there Dak. Hittler has not eatin in a few days. Moght have to send him up there before to long. He aint finnicky either. He likes yankees.
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Could it be leaking thrue the weld at tube against flange??
OR do you meen I could weld them onto my 906!!
Exellent idea!!
That way they sure wont cause any more leakage!
No,, back to buisness!!
Could they leak by some minor pore??
I doubt that,, but anything could be possible!
I will make it like this,,:
Glue two gaskets together,,using red silicone thick string,,Q is IF I shall cut the flange to remove any flex in the plate?
I will make it on friday,,so I still have time for your expert advices!!
THANKS!!
Best R Olle B
It would not hurt to cut the flange, but I'd wait til they were out of warranty first. They might give you a new set if you complain loud enough.
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Old 06-18-2003, 01:57 AM
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Let the vehicle run and take a feather and run it around the entire manifold. Make sure you don't do this outside on a windy day. You'll be able to see where the leak is coming from when the feather starts flapping.
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Old 06-18-2003, 04:27 AM
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a feather????? this is a mopar, not a hottie in crotchless and a garter belt. besides i think the engine fan will blow the "feather" around. that's one of the more obscure suggestions, i love it
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Old 06-18-2003, 11:13 AM
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Hey,,Keep them good ideas coming!!
If I claim enough!!??
Ive talked to them by phone and they had really notice my complains!
They was friendly to pay for a milling of the flange!!
Havent done it yet!
Perhaps its a better idea to swap the rear part of the system and go for only the headers clean!!
Then the free flow will kill the poffing and tapping noise from the cyl 8 leak!!
Isnt that a good idea!
No serius,,
I have original shaped Accurate ltd rear mufflers and no flat resonators.
I have 2,5" tube to the rear.
The accurate is very silent!
Mayby I should swap them into something more masculin,,but still neighbor friendly!!
Perhaps I can gain some hidden hp to!!
Any suggest??

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Old 06-18-2003, 11:15 AM
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ehh....glasspacks... just don't rev her up too much!! big blocks are pretty noisy with glasspacks!

actually, the glasspacks are the only muffler thats been on my roadrunner since i've had it, and my brothers 440 had some funky "turbo" muffler on it with stock manifolds but we dumped those for glasspacks . we still have the manifolds too, under the bench probably housing a few mice .

one thing olle, are your surfaces completely clean on the header and head? no paper particles left?

that has happened with my brothers 440, cleaned it up, and it's fine now. course, it was number 3 and 5 that it was on.
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Old 06-18-2003, 01:46 PM
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a feather????? this is a mopar, not a hottie in crotchless and a garter belt. besides i think the engine fan will blow the "feather" around. that's one of the more obscure suggestions, i love it
HEY! I resent that! I used the feather on my exhaust leak and it worked perfectly Why would the engine fan (on the front of the engine) blow a feather on the side of it? Trust me. It works The girl in crotchless underwear and a garter belt is the FA8 option, have to put it on the order form
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On our cars we take the stock parts store gaskets that look like metal on one side and paper on the other and use red high temp rtv to glue the paper sides together and install. They last all season that way.
dwc43,
Does that work with sb gaskets too? Exh. runners for 3 & 5 and 4& 6 are siamesed on those gaskets. Don't have the port divider like traditional header gaskets do.

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Old 06-18-2003, 04:06 PM
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So,,can the restricted Accurate silencers be part of how easy the leaksound appear or the system have no guilt in whats happen up in the port area??
What brand do you recommend,,,
glasspacks,,sorry,,whats that!!
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glasspacks,,sorry,,whats that!!
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a very low backpressure, non-restrictive, strait through, loud "muffler"! looks like a tube really. IMHO it gives a nice deep noisy rumble to big blocks, but it is loud. i think they're relatively cheap too.
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