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Old 07-09-2003, 04:59 PM
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i have a 73 RR 68 440 4 speed weight 4060 with me in it street dominator intake holley mech fuel pump think 80 gph 750 holley vac secondarys 4.10 gear 27" tall mc thompson indy profile tires have to mix lead in gas stock ignition/distributor mopar viscious fan engine oil cooler gas cooler. i dont really know what has been done to this 440 it was rebuilt a long time ago still runs good just isnt as fast as i need it it maybee .030 over not sure heres my
track times no slicks

reac .568
60 2.144
330 5.957
1/8 et 9.061
mph 79.23
1000 et 11.728
13.955
101.62

reac.944
60 2.354
330 6.066
1/8 9.132
79.77
1000 11.767
13.979
mph 101.29


reac 1.091
60 2.169
330 5.882
1/8 8.937
80.03
1000 11.568
13.772
102.27

ive been talkin to people asking them what i should do to get it in the high 11s they said take my old heads off get 3 angle valve job hardend seats springs 2.14 1.81 valves and get the mopar solid cam296/296 557/.557 cam and i need adjustable roller rocker arms and get 28" slicks and take sway bar off and i should runn around 11.90s i might just get the edelbrock heads which ones should i get? if i do 84cc or 88cc? i kindof wanna keep it all iron tho but i dont wanna spend a ton of money. this car is mainly ont the road once in a while strip i need it to beat my friends 77 Trans am cause he keeps talkin crap about mopars are slow and 440s are overrated i'm sick of hearing his crap his engine isnt as big as his mouth hes building a stroker 400 think it is like 420 something but not sure hes sneaky i have to build mine where i cant not just beat his car but spank it good woundering if you could give me some advise on what i should do with my motor to whoop his car i dont wanna totaly rebuild it unless i have to let me know what you think thanks i cant spent a whole lot too unless i wait longer to race him
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Old 07-09-2003, 05:18 PM
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Unless you have quech pistons, I would go for the 84cc EB heads. Don't forget, you can swap those heads over to your other engine, when it is ready.

Why are you running a vacuume secondary carb on a 4 speed?? You should be running a double pumper with a 4-speed.

A pinion sumbber and sub-frame connectors would do a lot for your 60 foot times.

Getting rid of the front sway bars will help the weight transfer, however, if it is a daily driver it would be better to leave it in.

You also really need to work on your reaction times.

What RPMs are you launching at and shifting at?

What are you running for an exhaust system (headers? what size, what size pipes? Mandrel bends? Cross-over?, what size and type mufflers?)
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Old 07-10-2003, 12:24 PM
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i was launchin around 3,000 cause if i went higher it would just spin crazy off the line cause i didnt have slicks my exhaust is
2 1/2 dual flowmaster 3 champer 40 s dumped at the axle dont have h or x pipe
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Old 07-10-2003, 12:25 PM
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so a mechanical secondary double pumper will help me out?
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Old 07-10-2003, 01:46 PM
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I don.t mean to burst your bubble my friend,but in order to get that bad boy in the high 11s its going to take more than heads and cam.The times you are turning now equate to about 300 rear wheel hp, in order to get high 11s you need about 475 hp at the rear wheels.Do the things you talked and put that beast on a diet and you're headed in the right direction. MOPAR TO YA .
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Old 07-10-2003, 04:03 PM
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i was launchin around 3,000 cause if i went higher it would just spin crazy off the line cause i didnt have slicks my exhaust is
2 1/2 dual flowmaster 3 champer 40 s dumped at the axle dont have h or x pipe
The launch sounds reasonable.

Are the pipes using mandrel bends or standard crimp bends?

An H or X pipe will help out. It balances the exhaust pressure and helps in the scavanging effect.

What size headers (primary tube - collector) are you running?

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so a mechanical secondary double pumper will help me out?
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The proper carb for the application will always help. It helps even more, if it is properly tuned for the application as well. I used a 750 vac secondary on a '70 383 that still had the 2-bbl cam in it. The 750 was still a little small for that engine. You could probbly get away with a Holley 850 double pumper. That or a Mighty Demon 750.
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Old 07-10-2003, 11:31 PM
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You're trying to run in the 11's with a 4000 lb 4-speed street car? Maybe if you put REAL tires on it, rev it to about 6 grand and drop the hammer you might get high 12's out of it if you don't blow the friggin' rear. You'd be better off with an automatic and a good cam and torque converter.
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Old 07-11-2003, 08:38 AM
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So want to go fast and stay with all Iron.......Attaboy!
Here's a starter list:
Good 727 with a Dynamic convertor
ST21 Racer Brown cam
Comp Nodular Iron adjustable rocker arms
Titanium retainers
11/32 valves
Bowl hog and blend
Light port and gasket match
825 Mighty Demon MECHANICAL
Single plane manifold
4 angle valve job
Light pistons
4.30 or 4.56 gear
BIG tires....no Bigger!
Fiberglass bumpers
Fiberglass hood
Fiberglass trunk
Leaf floaters or coil overs and ladder bars
Front 90/10 shocks
Frame connectors
Roll bar
Compression to 10.5 or more

Let them think how over rated the 440's are..then kick their Bowtie butts.

It just takes time and money

Every 100#s is worth a tenth, every $100 is worth about a 1/100.

Sawzall blades are cheap ET reducers.

Better check the rule book, you run 11.99 or quicker and price of going fast just went up....
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Old 07-11-2003, 03:43 PM
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what rear end do you have in yer car? i have 8 3/4 do you think its strong enough and i have 23 spline 4 speed i really wanna beat him with my 4 speed and 4.10 gears big enough for me i drive it on the road mainly

my uncle has one of DAVE DUDECKs old cars yellow 68 dart gts
has 340 with cross ram intake 23 spline 4 speed 8 3/4 rear 4.10 gear and it hasnt broke its running 11.70 really clean car all iron too everyones telling me i'm gonna break my rear or trans what do you think? i'm gonna try and lighten it up a lot too
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Old 07-11-2003, 11:43 PM
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OK, keep the 4 speed,'

You speed shift it?

I saw an article in car craft where they took a 4 speed and took the synchros off the gears. Made it shift much faster but was a little hard on the street. I think they were called "proshifted"

Theres a guy in woodburn running iron heads with a 590 lift MP solid and an auto in a '73 Charger.

Sucker runs low elevens...

I would say for the exhaust, run atleast a 1 7/8 header and a 3 inch exhaust with an H pipe would help. 825 or 850 double pumper carb. Let that 440 breathe!

Single plane intake and have some big valves put in the heads with some good porting.
Might want to consider 2.18s/1.88s.

When you build your other short block, build it with light pistons and rods, maybe the longer Manley rods for better rod ratio and faster revs.

You will definitely beat him then!
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Default my suggestion cheap stroker motor

ok so you want to fry this guy and do it on the cheap

take your 440 add a catpep 4.125 crank shaft in a 440 block(375$)you can even use stock 400 slugs on a "RB" rod other then that I would just do a "regular" performance build probably reuse alot of your old stuff off course theres always the hidden NOS system other then that I would improve your chassis withsub frame connectors and try to move as much weight over the rear as is practical or flat remove it ... have fun and wave to your friend as you smoke 'em
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Old 07-12-2003, 03:07 PM
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Fury Boy
If your referring to the Gold one that runs 11.60's I know it well.....I worked on it from the 12.50 Days we've slowly been tuning into the 11's.....
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