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Old 09-24-2003, 12:25 AM
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Hello All;

Well the new carcraft arrived and the chivy won not by a lot, but it won. I'm kinda perturbed that Magnum heads were not used. The Mopar was hampered by 20 year old heads. The chivy got mid 90's heads. The cams and compression were close, chivy had a little more of both (yes the Mopar was 10ci bigger). The Mopars achilles heal was that non Magnum heads were used. The Magnum heads have better balance and better low lift flow numbers. Plus better velocity across the flow range. This was a tactial mistake. The Edelbrock RPM AirGap was chosen as the intake (a dual plane had to be used). I feel that the 587 head is a bigger impedamint to flow than Mopars M1 dual plane would have been. Also the AirGap will bolt up with a little work as the intake bolt holes line up. The bolts are vertical like a phord not at 90 deg to intake as regular heads. Just needed to blow of a little steam........ We were robbed of a victory
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Old 09-24-2003, 01:42 AM
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Mopar wasn't totally robbed, Bazemore is now leading the Funny car points table!! Take that Force team, Serves him right how dare he get pushy with the mopar team leader!!
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Old 09-24-2003, 10:40 AM
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I agree, they should have used modern heads. But look how close it was and look at what the chevy had for parts compared to the Mopar, and it still barely edged the Mopar out. It is kinda hard for the Chevy crowd to brag when the mopar used Smog heads, stamped rockers, etc. the shootout really shows people how potent a Mopar can be with just plain parts. Put the magnum R/t's on and guess what the numbers would be. Poor Ford, not even close.
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Old 09-24-2003, 12:52 PM
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Don't forget they were on a budget to. Unfortunatly it is cheaper to build a small chevy than a mopar, so I think the chevy guys got a little more bang for the buck. If anyone should be disappointed it's the ford guys.
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Old 09-24-2003, 05:38 PM
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I missed this ....of course I through away all those mags years ago...mostly bunk.

Was this a Small block deal?

How much power did the Mopar make?
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Old 09-24-2003, 05:49 PM
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I don't have my copy here at work so I can't post, but i believe the Chevy was 13 HP more, don't remember torque numbers.

Small block shootout.

Hey Don when are your Ignition boxes going to be ready? I think I'm going to need a rev limiter with this RB equipped quick revving 340 Need a test car?
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Old 09-24-2003, 05:55 PM
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We're still working on trying to get the Mopar Pick-up0 coil to send out a signal of a round .8 to 1 volt to trigger the box, they only put out .5 at best and it won't fire the box.

Now it's just $$$$$ to get an electrical engineer to design an amplifyer or pick up coil that will shoot us 1v. Harleys do it easily, looking at there electronics also.

I'm looking at some of the foriegn stuff to see if we can adapt there pick-up coil to a Mopar distributor.

Anyone want to invest in some R&D for a chunk of the action???

Geeze look at the line up

Edit:..I guess there all trying to get out the door.....
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Old 09-24-2003, 06:04 PM
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Anybody know off hand how much HP they made?
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Peak TQ/HP : Chevy - 447/427

MP - 442/418

FORD - 415/372

BUT, THE CHEVY HAD tq NUMBER OVER 400 FROM 2800 ALL THE WAY 5500 RPM..VERY IMPRESSIVE...OOPS caps lock

MP HP was building at the top, and looked to be cheated by the 6000rpm cut off. ..if it was run to 6500, the MP would have had top numbers.

In terms of movin a machine, the Chevy numbers barely beat the MP in a drag sim, , by .03 seconds!

Now, if you really need investor $$, how much of the action do I get for $5000, and how do you plan on selling it??
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The basic deal was to build a streetable smallblock for $2500.00 dollars. A dual plane intake was to be used. There were no limits to what could be used save for could not exceed $2500.00 or 365 ci ( prevent chivy/phord from strokers ). There were other small rules but these were the limiting factors as I remember. Hope this helps you Cuda66273
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I may be interested in investing some $$, What is the possible ROI? percentage of sales?
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If your truely interested in this project, email me direct and I'll fill you in on the details and what we've got so far.
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$2500.00 for one dyno session! and all they could get out of a 360 was 442 HP....I need to sign up for that deal.

Did the Mopar guy waste all his money on a roller cam or something...I need to go buy that Magazine.
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Old 09-25-2003, 10:11 AM
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Don, he wasted it on a COMP!!!!!
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We're still working on trying to get the Mopar Pick-up0 coil to send out a signal of a round .8 to 1 volt to trigger the box, they only put out .5 at best and it won't fire the box.

Now it's just $$$$$ to get an electrical engineer to design an amplifyer or pick up coil that will shoot us 1v. Harleys do it easily, looking at there electronics also.

I'm looking at some of the foriegn stuff to see if we can adapt there pick-up coil to a Mopar distributor.

Anyone want to invest in some R&D for a chunk of the action???
Why not just use a 7801 power supply (will provide a stable 1 VDC out put with a minimum of a 5 VDC input), and a PNP transistor? One leg of the transistor is the stable 1 VDC input, one leg is the trigger from the coil and the third leg is the amped up 1 VDC output.
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Ed...what did you just say?????

Email me your phone number I need to talk to you about this....I didn't realize you were an electrical engineer

Now I'm excited again....
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I'm in telecommunications. When I got into it, in the Air Force, we had to take basic AC 101 and DC 101.

I think that BillyBob (hides in the Ram Truck forum) may have more knowledge. He is either an electrician or has an EE (I forget which).

I would have to look through my old tech info, to get more on the transistor. I do know that the LM-7801 can be had at Radio Shack for under $3 and a simple transistor should run no more than $1 (both numbers are on the high side.
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I'm in telecommunications.

So is my wife...you should see our phone bill....LOL

I'll pass this info on and see if goes anywhere.

Thanks Ed!
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