04-02-2004, 10:34 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Shelbyville,Tn.
Age: 54
Posts: 23,987
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Originally posted by dave571
delshin is right
Spindles won't work. I had a customer try, to find that they would bolt in, but left the car with the wheels cambered out(at the top) a very visable amount.
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Originally posted by 340duster1
The spindle won't work (as others have already said). They are one inch taller between the ball joints. The only things that are useful are the rotors, calipers and caliper brackets. Easier way is to find a 73-76 disc brake a-body. This is a good link for what you need:
http://www.moparaction.com/Tech/archive/disc-main.html
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Originally posted by dave571
I'm glad it worked out for you dartswinger74.
The guy who put them on his challenger(after I told him not to) and had to do it all over, is probably glad for you too.
I have heard of it working for some people, so we can hope.
I suppose if we're hoping it will work, we should also hope that that the change in Ball joint angle, doesn't cause the upper joint to fail. This has been known to happen as well.(results in complete loss of steering control)
I guess I'm thinking it makes more sense to do it with the parts that are right for the job. Not the ones that we know are visably wrong.
Not to disagree
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Originally posted by 340duster1
The F-body spindles will cause exceessive camber gain. What this means is if you take a fast corner with significant body roll the top of the tire will move in and cause you to ride on the inside edge of the tire. As well the balljoint will bind at full travel. So I guess you can use them if you want, but I wouldn't go there.
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Originally posted by dave571
Well, I guess because I didn't take pictures of the wheels being cambered too far, and the adjusters maxed, trying to correct the problem, while it was on my Hunter wheel alignment rack, I'm full of BS??
I guess I just thought it was common sence to use the parts that are proven to fit and are the same size as the ones that came out. I didn't think I'd need photo evidence, or a computer model to show the silliness of such a thing. You don't need to drive 40min to see the 1" difference in height.
But yes, it's pointless to post some things here, in neverland...where every 318 can pull a 12 second 1/4 mile, all a 340 needs is a cam and headers to make 500hp. and a no start situation can be blamed on not dialing in a cam shaft on installation.
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Originally posted by dwc43
We have race and built race cars for years and the F body spindles will only fit F,M, and J cars only. IF installed on other cars tehy over angle the ball joints and put the upper A arm out of it's designed geometry range. There's not enough caster or camber adjustment in an A body to correct this and even if it was the A arm would still be out of the correct range and teh ball joint would still be over angled. They just want fit period.
360 swinger if you like we have a rear disc brake kit run you around 450 plus shipping. Has rotors, pads, hoses, mounts and everything you need to install it. If you had the disc brake nuckles I could set you up with a front disc kit for around 600 with everything you need all new and not used. e mail me if your interested. ********************
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Originally posted by dwc43
Even with offset adjusters to gain more front end alignment the F body spindle will not work. It is too tall. The ball joints have a certain amouont of angle they can set at while at rest. When the suspenion travels up and down it will angle the joint to a point that is close to the max angle it can take. If it over angles it will bend, brake, or pop the ball out of the joint housing. With the taller F body spindles they are overangled from the beginning and at full travel they will bind, hit ,bend or break take your pick. They will not fit period so dont try this. Plus it throws off teh A arm geometry, ackerman and induces bump steer as well. All of these things will create a dangerous driving car that cant possible be aligned to spec and most importantly can get you killed if it breaks a joint or does not handle in a turn correctly.
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Originally posted by dwc43
Take a good look at that pic you posted. See the difference in angles where the upper ball joint mounts. This is another reason why you cant use this spindle. It throws the steering geometry off since all of the other parts you will be using was made for a different spindle. Ackerman, bumpsteer, caster, camber, and toe during cornering will all be different fron the designed original pieces.
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Yeah, that post really proves that they dont and will nopt work. Thanks for proving it for and all others invovled.
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