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Old 02-15-2005, 06:15 PM
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Hey All. Im in the finnishing process of getting this rebuilt 360 back into the 73 Charger. I was priming the oil pump with a drill and a Loooong hex wrench and about three quarts of brand new oil came gushing out of the oil filter "area".
Now I say "area", cause I didnt see exactly where it came out. A hole in the filter? From between the filter and block? Now the oil filter was on when I installed the motor an it got beat up pretty bad. It seemed to be on good (not cocked or loose) and after taking it off I couldnt see any holes in it.

Now, correct me please if Im wrong. When priming the oil pump on a small block the drill should be in the forward position, Right?

Am I missing some thing. Is there something other than a hole or loose filter that would cause this leak? Cant beleive a drill would cause more pressure than a V8 engine. What is the process of priming an oil pump before first start up? Thanks for any responses in advance.... Craig

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Old 02-15-2005, 06:31 PM
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YES! OH yes. The exact same thing happen to me. Behind the oil filter, under the metal plate that screws onto the block are gaskets. Run on down to the nearest MoPar dealer and have them open up a book to see an exploded veiw of the set up. Grab your self a gasket or 2. Torque the metal plate back on and then filter.
(I did mine on start up.)
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Old 02-15-2005, 06:51 PM
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Man ..... I put that sucker on .... it came with the big gasket set ...but I believe there were 2 of them... and I believe put the thicker one on... Didnt use a torque wrench on that though... just tightened it real tight.. (my only torque wrench is 1/2" drive, and the "bolt" has a 3/8" square)

How much do ya have to torque That thing. After I took off the oil filter, I tryed to tighten the "bolt" again but it was pretty tight. And do I need another gasket?


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Old 02-15-2005, 06:55 PM
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Ugh! It's been a few years, but I think you needed both of them on there. The small one around the threads and one for the meatl plate at the endge.
Ummm, crud, the memory is failing on this one. sorry.
Another gasket, i don't think so.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:38 PM
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Rumble we just did this same thing on another thread a week or so ago didn't we? There are two different types of gaskets. There's a one piece that fits the outside of the plate, but it has three fingers that locates an attached piece of tgasket around the threaded filter adapter. The other type of gasket uses two seperate pieces for the plate and threaded adapter. You have to have both gaskets installed.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:44 PM
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Yeah, I just posted this. I am having the same problem. Got 2 more new gaskets today as a matter of fact. 04897939AA right from Fox Hills CPJ.

I believe the manual says to torque it to 50ft/lbs... but it's been awhile. Also, the dealer tech I dealt with said if you use the plate, then do NOT use the gasket in the center on the oil filter screw in thing. If you use the 90 degree adapter, then you DO NEED to use a gasket on the long bolt that attaches it. Confusing huh?

When it ever warms up I'll give it another shot. This'll be gasket #3.

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Old 02-15-2005, 08:47 PM
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Yea DW. But since I was here on my own at the moment I crossed the thread, I tried to answer it from memory. Which has a blank spot or 2. I remembered the thread, but didn't search. I remember when I did the same thing though. EEEEEKKKK!!!!!!
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:54 PM
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You have to use both gaskets, period. And don't over torque them or you'll bend the plate and it will leak some more.
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:29 AM
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get a 1/2" to 3/8" square drive adapter for the torque wrench. it will allow you to apply the proper amount of torque to that bolt... and you can use the torque wrench (and other 1/2" drive things) with 3/8" drive sockets.
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Old 02-16-2005, 07:27 AM
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Don't quote me on this, but I believe the torque is 17-22lbs. for the adapter.
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Old 02-16-2005, 08:13 AM
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OH Man, if its only 17 to 22 lbs, Ive over torqued it for sure..... I believe Ill have to get a new plate also.... Thanks for all the help guys....... Craig
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Old 02-16-2005, 11:17 AM
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What year of a 360 is the block? and did you use the same oil filter adapter plate that came off of it? I know 91 are different and maybe some years earlier.
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Old 02-16-2005, 08:10 PM
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Hi, found this info in the '82 factory manual. I swapped this adapter onto my 360 for header clearance. The gaskets are the same as the original plate if memory serves me correctly. The torque rating for the original 3/4"-16 oil filter attaching stud is given as 10 lbs/ft in the 82 manual yet it's also given as 45 lbs/ft in my 1980 manual and I don't know for the life of me why that is so. And you'll note the torque rating for the capscrew holding the adapter to the block is 50 lbs/ft. I would tend to suspect the 10 lb rating myself and go with the 45-50 lbs as per the earlier manual, unless someone here has the answer as to why it changed. Cheers!!
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Old 02-16-2005, 09:42 PM
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THATS IT!!!!! DWC was right. I slapped that other gasket on there and sure enough it didnt leak. (when priming the oil pump) There was a thin red one and a thicker black one.... (red then black then the plate) I didnt use the torque wrench, I just tightened it to what 50 lbs felt like on the torque wrench

Thanks again for all the help.... Im sure Ill be starting a new thread soon about why there is no spark after trying to start it today. Im gonna give it the once over first though. Ill let Yall know how it goes either way. Craig
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Old 02-16-2005, 10:14 PM
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OK, for this febale mind, red gasket and then the black gasket on top of the red one and then the plate....right?
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Inside gasket one color, outside gasket another color. I think that's what he's trying to say.

I hate to say, but I told ya so ..... LOL!! Glad you got it fixed. Maybe the inital start up wont be that bad for ya.
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Old 02-17-2005, 08:31 AM
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YEP! What he said!

Im not sure if it made a difference about which gasket goes on first. What do ya think DWC? Does it make a difference? (just in case someone else has the same problem in the future)
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:24 AM
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Sooo, which gasket did you use first?
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Old 02-17-2005, 12:46 PM
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I put the thin red one up against the block and the thicker black one is up against the plate.




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Old 02-17-2005, 01:10 PM
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Ok, so my adapter doesn't look like that, it's actually a flat plate (sorta) and the gasket kit I got from the dealer just has the big one. That pic seems to show the part you guys are talking about as a casting. I am gonna pound out my own gasket anyways and try it, but do I need to?

Yes, I can be that dumb sometimes.

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Old 02-18-2005, 08:19 AM
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Six.... You should be able to buy the 2 gaskets at any parts store... Im sure they woulnt be too exspensive. Mine came with the big box kit from the machine shop.

The plate should be relatively flat, but its got kinda of a bowl shape on one side to allow oil to swirl around and go into the filter or back into the block, Im not sure which. Anyone?

...Craig
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Thanks. I wish I'da thunk of it when I dropped the block off for machine work... but I didn't and they took it apart... live and learn I guess.

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Ok, so my adapter doesn't look like that, it's actually a flat plate (sorta) and the gasket kit I got from the dealer just has the big one. That pic seems to show the part you guys are talking about as a casting. I am gonna pound out my own gasket anyways and try it, but do I need to?
Jay, I don't think the plate type filter mount should have a gasket in the middle. I have pulled apart several of them on motors that were untouched before, and never found one. If you put a gasket in the center, it will prevent you from getting enough pressure on the outer gasket to seal properly.

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Old 02-18-2005, 10:11 PM
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That's what I figgered. I think I'm just gonna run a remote filter and end all my headaches!

Or put a slant six in it! :flip:

thanks, everyone, for all your input.

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Six.... You should be able to buy the 2 gaskets at any parts store... Im sure they woulnt be too exspensive. Mine came with the big box kit from the machine shop.

The plate should be relatively flat, but its got kinda of a bowl shape on one side to allow oil to swirl around and go into the filter or back into the block, Im not sure which. Anyone?

...Craig
The oil goes out of the block through all those little holes in the plate and it returns through the threaded portion. And yes, you have to use two gaskets. If you want to usea remote filter without using one of those adapters that also requires that the palte and 2 gaskets be installed, just put a 3/4 x .75" bolt into the threaded portion of the block. There should be a hole that is at 10 or 11 oclock that can be tapped to 3/8 and then you will have to dril and tap a second 3/8 hole at about 7 or 8 oclock and then add your lines to your remote filter and/or cooler.
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Old 02-19-2005, 11:01 AM
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DWC is right. With the "Summit Catalog" remote oil filter kit, you leave that plate on, and they supply adapters. Ive got one on my 67 Newport T&C (not much room between the PS pump and lower Rad. hose)

Plus the remote oil filter kit is supposed to let your engine run cooler. Any thoughts?

Also to alieve any confusion, for "sixgunner" The 2 gaskets in question are the same size (except for thickness) and install around the outter perimeter of the plate (between the plate and block)


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Right. That's what I got, but still leaks. I'll figger it out when it gets warmer and I feel like being outside (102 degree fever this week, yuk.)

Thanks again everyone, for all your help.

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