An opportunity to show your clASS

[Frankie]

http://www.nragive.com/ringoffreedom/index.html

[peg leg]

The American military is the last vestige of patriotism left in this country. Very few congressmen/women have the fortitude, will, determination and selflessness to do what we ask them to do. Very few people know the horrendous crimes against humanity by terrorists they fight to end in Iraq and Afganistan.
Olly North is certainly one of the most loved and revered veterans of this fight to save our tender souls. He knows more about the issues, and more importantly, the solutions to the threat from our enemy Islam, than any living human.
One country which knows how to deal with the threat is Israel. Nice guys come in second!

[John Kunkel]

Too bad the makers of that video chose a liar and traitor to be their spokesman...a man who brought shame on the uniform he wore (and, coincidently a hard core right-winger).

How soon they forget.

[peg leg]

Talk about out in left field! That was an eye opener. Quite comical, in fact.

[dakman1]

Originally Posted by peg leg

Talk about out in left field! That was an eye opener. Quite comical, in fact.

I'm with ya here.

[Dennis Jokela]

John is living proof that you can be educated, and still be an idiot.

Dennis Jokela

[Loadrunner]

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

Too bad the makers of that video chose a liar and traitor to be their spokesman...a man who brought shame on the uniform he wore (and, coincidently a hard core right-winger).

How soon they forget.

Makes you wonder why they didn't get someone respectable like
Congressman Rangel.

[toad490]

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

a man who brought shame on the uniform he wore (and, coincidently a hard core right-winger).

How many left-wing deserters have done the same??? And been protrayed as patriots by many right-wing anitwar groups.

[Stoga]

I just find it funny that so many right wingers who admired Ronald Reagan would have anything to do with North. Here's what Nancy Reagan thought of Oliver. "On the eve of the election, former first lady Nancy Reagan told a reporter that North had lied to her husband when discussing Iran-Contra with the former president, effectively eviscerating him. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North
Oliver North did more damage to Reagan and his legacy than any other, so why hero worship him now? I didn't even vote for Reagan and can see that North done him wrong. That quote by Nancy, by the way, kept North out of the Senate, so there's no doubt how she felt about him.

[John Kunkel]

Originally Posted by Dennis Jokela

John is living proof that you can be educated, and still be an idiot.

Dennis Jokela

An idiot is somebody that worships the like of Oliver North and labels them a patriot.

[John Kunkel]

Originally Posted by toad490

How many left-wing deserters have done the same??? And been protrayed as patriots by many right-wing anitwar groups.

Big difference between those who refuse to fight in a bogus war (never wore a uniform) and those who disgrace the uniform with traitorous acts. I wouldn't expect you to fathom the difference. Have Frank explain it to you.

[John Kunkel]

Originally Posted by Stoga

Oliver North did more damage to Reagan and his legacy than any other, so why hero worship him now?

Raygun and North were cut from the same log, they shit on the Constitution and were worshiped for it....only difference, North didn't get an airport and an aircraft carrier named after him.

[toad490]

Originally Posted by toad490

How many left-wing deserters

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

Big difference between those who refuse to fight in a bogus war (never wore a uniform) and those who disgrace the uniform with traitorous acts.

John, your the one who is having trouble understanding. Look up deserter in that dictionary you use so often. Big difference between a draft dodger and deserter, the deserter did wear the uniform. There has been several high profile cases up here of deserters being deported and right-wing US and Canadian groups defending them as heros. Once again your twisting posts.

[toad490]

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

An idiot is somebody that worships the like of Oliver North and labels them a patriot.

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

I wouldn't expect you to fathom the difference. Have Frank explain it to you.

John explained.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_effect

[John Kunkel]

The subject is traitors in all forms. So, I guess what toad is saying is that as long as somebody else has done something equal or more traitorous than Ollie North it makes it OK. IOW, if there was one other person who disgraced the uniform it's OK for Ollie North to do it.

And, unable to retort to my comment that only an idiot would label a Ollie North a patriot toad resorts to another non-sequitur.

C'mon toad and Dennis, if you feel that Ollie deserves to be labeled a patriot back up your case.

[toad490]

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

The subject is traitors in all forms.

And once again you twist posts when your unable to reply. My OP was on deserters, you twisted it to draft dodger now you twist things again, in a futile effort to CYA.

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

So, I guess what toad is saying is that as long as somebody else has done something equal or more traitorous than Ollie North it makes it OK..

No John, I was pointing out that extremist on both sides pick spokespeople that represent their views.

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

And, unable to retort to my comment that only an idiot would label a Ollie North a patriot toad resorts to another non-sequitur.

And once again you call something beyond your capability to understand a non-sequitur. And believe me the Downing Effect describes you too a T, your inability to see it only proves the point as does your constant reliance on bombast.

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

C'mon toad and Dennis, if you feel that Ollie deserves to be labeled a patriot back up your case.

Again your twisting my posts, I never said North was anything. Once again I was just pointing out that people pick figures to represent them that reflect thier own views.

[John Kunkel]

Originally Posted by toad490

No John, I was pointing out that extremist on both sides pick spokespeople that represent their views.

So that makes it OK?

And once again you call something beyond your capability to understand a non-sequitur. And believe me the Downing Effect describes you too a T, your inability to see it only proves the point as does your constant reliance on bombast.

So, I'm a dummy that tries to act smart and you're a dummy that tries to act dumb and pulls it off....got it.

Once again I was just pointing out that people pick figures to represent them that reflect thier own views.

And my direct comment was that they picked a real loser in North. Agree? Disagree?

[Frankie]

Actually the subject is the American Soldier. Not North, or anything posted above.

[John Kunkel]

Sorry, Frank, I don't recognize your authority (forum czar) to control the subject.

If a convicted child molester was the chosen speaker at a police officer's convention it would be worthy of comment.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

Sorry, Frank, I don't recognize your authority (forum czar) to control the subject.

Nor I, yours.

[toad490]

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

So that makes it OK?

Of course it's okay, last I checked anybody's free to use whom ever they want as a spokesman. At least until there's an amendment to your constitution saying they must first meet with John Kunkel's and/or God's approval.

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

So, I'm a dummy that tries to act smart (in your eyes only) and you're a dummy that tries to act dumb and pulls it off....got it.

I couldn't of scripted a better response for you. Over estimating yourself, underestimating others. Exactly as the Downing Effect predicted.

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

And my direct comment was that they picked a real loser in North. Agree? Disagree?

Geeez talk about a dog with a bone. I've no opinion on North one way or another. Now take your time and let it sink in.

[John Kunkel]

Originally Posted by toad490

Of course it's okay, last I checked anybody's free to use whom ever they want as a spokesman.

You're talking in legal/procedural terms, I'm commenting on the appropriatness. See the child molester analogy.

Do you think it's appropriate to have somebody who disgraced the uniform speak on behalf of American soldiers?

Over estimating yourself, underestimating others. Exactly as the Downing Effect predicted.

Read over your comments in recent months and take a long look in the mirror.

[toad490]

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

Do you think it's appropriate to have somebody who disgraced the uniform speak on behalf of American soldiers?

I'm sure there are many soldiers who would be proud to have North speak for them and many who would hate it. I'll leave it up to people who have actually worn the uniform to debate it.

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

Read over your comments in recent months and take a long look in the mirror.

No need for me to look at my posts, your the one in this forum who routinely calls other member idiots, dumb or stupid for no other reason then they have the nerve to have a different view on something than John THE ALMIGHTY Kunkel. Like they say Johnnie when the shoe fits....

So once again a thread involving you has come to it's inevitable end, so for the umpteenth time I'll leave you with the last word, bombast will follow.

[John Kunkel]

Originally Posted by toad490

I'm sure there are many soldiers who would be proud to have North speak for them and many who would hate it. I'll leave it up to people who have actually worn the uniform to debate it.

That doesn't alter the "appropriateness" of it, like I said in my opening comment "too bad they chose......".

No need for me to look at my posts, your the one in this forum who routinely calls other member idiots, dumb or stupid

Another distortion, the first person to use the word "idiot" in this thread was Dennis and he doesn't have the balls to take my challenge and back his statement.

I have never called a single individual on this forum an asshole but that word has been directed at me at least three times (once by your mentor) and always because "I have the nerve to have a different view on something". Not going along with the crowd's thinking would predictably by viewed by robotic thinkers as something to be scorned and you've proven yourself to be very adept at scorning.