trans numbers manual trans.

[vinnys63valiant]

where do get the trans id numbers at i have what i think is a 833 trans od but my freind says its not a od unit how can i tell.

[3404spdvaliant]

Overdrive 4 spd has 5.125 retainer and will have the front shift arm pointing down.

[440roadrunner]

........and, if there's no shifter, there's a sure fire way. Take the front shift shaft and put it in "one" gear, the the other. One will be the "old" 1:1 high gear, and the other will be either third or overdrive.

If it's an overdrive, the tailshaft will turn more than the input

If it's in third, obviously it won't

The other gear will turn 1:1 in either case.

[3404spdvaliant]

Overdrives also came out in 75 iron case and is dated. After that they were aluminum case so be suspect of aluminum case std tranys.

[vinnys63valiant]

it is a cast iron case ill meseaure the input shaft retainer also to see for sure.

[3404spdvaliant]

Right on. BTW tell me if it had gear oil or ATF in it if you can tell.

[vinnys63valiant]

Originally Posted by 3404spdvaliant

Right on. BTW tell me if it had gear oil or ATF in it if you can tell.

will do!

[440roadrunner]

Originally Posted by 3404spdvaliant

Right on. BTW tell me if it had gear oil or ATF in it if you can tell.

That proves nothing!!! Some conventional 4 speeds ended up with ATF in them, especially in the northern latitudes.

In fact, my '70 book shows that, long before OD's were made

[vinnys63valiant]

Originally Posted by 440roadrunner

That proves nothing!!! Some conventional 4 speeds ended up with ATF in them, especially in the northern latitudes.

In fact, my '70 book shows that, long before OD's were made

this was and is a tranny that came out of a southern car so lets just wait and see what we have.

[hotrod7043]

Trans fluid proves nothing, take the # of the trans itsellf there wiil be a # stamped on it .that with some research and a correct year wiill tell ya by going to the correct yr Parts book what it originally came out of. ya gotta have some old time dealers down there.the pad is on were #is stamped id on rt side of case thre wil be a e.g PP 833 1861 0250 these #s will tell many things.also Tail Housg length,Shifter pas locations etc help.18 or 23splines, bearing ret dia are all things that are nice to have.

[vinnys63valiant]

seriouslly im going to get the numbers in the morn. the trans came out of a special order 76 aspen rt i dont have the line sheet he lost it he pulled the vin and said the car was 1 of 40 made like it 1 of 1 with the eng setup but the trans was a non od unit that was ordered in the car and my other bud says its a od unit. theres my dilemia

[3404spdvaliant]

I will apologize for these already bickering J.O.'s
Let those who really want to help you know tomorrow.
BTW the fluid thing was for my own 'data bank' curiosity I just now noticed that the fluid thing was an argument on another thread, go figure.

[440roadrunner]

Originally Posted by 3404spdvaliant

I will apologize for these already bickering J.O.'s
Let those who really want to help you know tomorrow.
BTW the fluid thing was for my own 'data bank' curiosity I just now noticed that the fluid thing was an argument on another thread, go figure.

That's mighty big of you. For your enlightenment, I'm not bickering with anyone, I'm simply stating a fact. THE KIND OF FLUID that HAPPENS TO BE in a THIRTY YEAR OLD TRANSMISSION does not determine what the transmission "is."


I think you are probably just a little younger than I. If you are lucky enough to live long enough, you might find that being "suspicious" will net you more truthful results. I've learned not to assume anything, unless I can prove otherwise. There's always the one "rare bird" that shows up and spoils your belive in "all" were like this, or "none" came with that.

Ever seen a right hand drive Satellite body in the U.S.?

[440roadrunner]

One last thing. I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from referring to others on this forum as a "J.O." whatever THAT means.

[3404spdvaliant]

I see age is an issue once again, well it seems not to be in your favor since my query about the fluid had you thinking of it as my way of determining
std from std OD. It had nothing to with that and didn't insinuate or distract from the thread, besides what I or anyone else does/gets out of that info is their own business.
Look your not the god of Mopar so quit coming off like the last word and skrew your manual, it's always 'my manual say's this my manual say's that'. How about my experience say's this/that? I run 90w in my 833 have for yrs.
People aren't here to have someone read a 28+yr old catalog to them hell it's the internet all you gotta do is type key words and there's pages!
ENOUGH OF THE CATALOG TUNING AND ARM CHAIR RACING.

[hotrod7043]

only one argueing was you 340,we know the truths,the case material and #s will help do yu still have thr car it came out of?

[440roadrunner]

Originally Posted by 3404spdvaliant

Look your not the god of Mopar so quit coming off like the last word and skrew your manual, it's always 'my manual say's this my manual say's that'. How about my experience say's this/that? I run 90w in my 833 have for yrs.
People aren't here to have someone read a 28+yr old catalog to them hell it's the internet all you gotta do is type key words and there's pages!
ENOUGH OF THE CATALOG TUNING AND ARM CHAIR RACING.

This is the last time I'll address this issue. I expect you to "man up" and be polite and treat your associates the same way. I have not personally attacked you. Neither have I claimed to be the "god of Mopar." There's a lot of things I've forgotten over the years and I've SAID so

I HAVE said "my experience........" all you have to do is actually read a little.

I've seen a lot of things, that you read on the internet either "didn't happen" or "came on all of them."


The bearing retainer is a good example: some six cylinder optional 4 speeds came with the same size bearing retainer that the OD's had. I know. I had one. This means, that if someone at some point swapped in a slant six 4 speed--and yes they made them!! Then the bearing retainer doesn't mean squat

So far as the manual, IT WAS WRITTEN by the PEOPLE WHO BUILT these cars!!!!! So you are saying, that the manuals are wrong.


So far as arm chair racing, I owned these cars when they WERE. I lived and breathed them. I had friends that owned them. We ran them, raced them, broke them, and repaired them.

You cannot possibly have walked in my shoes, so be careful of what you make fun of.


If I misunderstood the meaning of your comment about the ATF, all you had to do is to say so. Since you seem unable to do so, I will give you an example:

"I was merely asking out of curiosity."


See? Wasn't that easy?


I am not going to argue with you, anymore. But this is the last time I'll ask you. Don't make fun of people, their ages, or call them names. you can't possibly know what you are dealing with.

[hotrod7043]

I Remember a Tsb on the atf in the trans, For rough shifting and it especially notedthat in colder climates. Chyrsler put it out Not 340 4 spd.well like you said it all in your reply to him.

[3404spdvaliant]

Originally Posted by 440roadrunner

That proves nothing!!! Some conventional 4 speeds ended up with ATF in them, especially in the northern latitudes.

In fact, my '70 book shows that, long before OD's were made

[QUESTION] who do you think you are fooling?

[3404spdvaliant]

[QUOTE=440roadrunner;730778]That's mighty big of you. For your enlightenment, I'm not bickering with anyone, I'm simply stating a fact. THE KIND OF FLUID that HAPPENS TO BE in a THIRTY YEAR OLD TRANSMISSION does not determine what the transmission "is."=QUOTE]

[ANSWER] Only your self.
You knew why I asked that question to begin with and Here you are going on about fluids & northern latitudes then you you try and change your angle to not look like such a bickering [you fill in the blank], saying it doesn't determine OD from std 4spd like I'm confusing someone. well sorry that didn't happen, Instead I gave the guy the most obvious things look for when determining OD from std 4SPD in which he has probably used this info and is already done with this thread and going jees what the hell is wrong these guy's =HOTROD,440ROADRUNNER?
BTW ''owned these cars when they were''?
Tell me where did they go?
Or was it YOU that had to go?
For a guy as OLD as you are, you are the perfect example of how not to respond.
Especially when you say you aren't sure why I'm asking.
You can ask too! PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH.
BTW H.R sorry to hear of your stroke, my grand dad had 1 & shakes like a leaf that sux.

[vinnys63valiant]

here is what i got so far. on the smoothed off spot on side of tranny numbers are as follows 9b412579 pp8332849 0110. cast on side is h4 c99129 tailshaft cast is, a c 99126-3 as the bearing retainer is concerned im assuming that is the part with the 4 bolts that goes over the shaft behing the throwout bearing if so a rough measurement came up with 4 1/2''. anybody have any ideas. as far as fluid is concerned its gear oil. p.s whos calling who a j.o (jack off)?

[vinnys63valiant]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hotrod7043]

How long is tail shaft? how many shifter locations? input splines?18 or 23. Who calling who aJ.O , 340spd who else?

[vinnys63valiant]

1 shifter location i forgot to count splines overall length from frt of bellhousing to rear of trans around 30''

[Dick]

Derogatory abbreviations or references are not to be used here. Be decent and civil to each other..........................please.

[vinnys63valiant]

Originally Posted by Dick

Derogatory abbreviations or references are not to be used here. Be decent and civil to each other..........................please.

im glad were on the same page im here to learn from you all. not get caught in the name calling.

[3404spdvaliant]

It sounds like it's 23 spline std 4 spd . Sorry I don't have decode book, call brewer's if no one else supplies them for you.

[vinnys63valiant]

ill check with them tommorow plus ill check the spline count also.

[John Kunkel]

Originally Posted by vinnys63valiant

here is what i got so far. on the smoothed off spot on side of tranny numbers are as follows pp8332849 0110.

9b412579 is the partial; VIN of a '69 car built at the Hamtramck plant.

pp8332849 identifies an 833 4-speed built on May 16, 1969. It was the 110th built that day.

[vinnys63valiant]

Originally Posted by John Kunkel

9b412579 is the partial; VIN of a '69 car built at the Hamtramck plant.

pp8332849 identifies an 833 4-speed built on May 16, 1969. It was the 110th built that day.

i was figuring it was from the seventies by what he told me but neither of us thought it could of been swaped out with an older one.