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Yes, Suspend Political Posts | 15 | 50.00% | |
No, Don't Suspend Political Posts | 15 | 50.00% | |
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll |
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Well, unlike Jordan or Saudi Arabia, this country has access to bunches of sites for political debate, any flavor, sect or leaning that you prefer.
These sites outnumber the Mopar themed sites by a vast number. I originally came here to talk about Mopars and support my fellow Mopar fans in the enjoyment of their hobby and their vehicles. Politics doesn't help with that. I don't have to read a bunch of political signs tacked up along my property or along the highway, but it's still trash. |
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So your comment above is just another of your common lies. Once again, the political threads are turned into petty pissy arguments by your inability to control your temper, and to get over the past. By your NEED to insult ridicule, and change the topic. In the political threads, very few of the arguments are about politics. Has anyone ever noticed that? READ THEM. The arguments are started by JOHN, and are about his need to insult. His normal tactic is to change the subject of the thread from politics, to his hatred for me. Yet, John, and admin put the blame on the political content, and me. WANT PROOF? It's in the archives. I'll admit to responding to John's insults and arguments with insults and arguments, but the key word here is RESPONDING. Not starting. That said, even when I don't respond to his posts, he will continue to attack. Once again, WANT PROOF? In in the archives. As I've stated so many times. The problem is NOT the subject matter. I've been personally attacked for talking about cars, here! Even car magazines!!! Do we ban those discussions, too? The problem is a lack of self control by essentially one or two members who will, personally attack people because the disagree with their opinions, beliefs, thoughts, comments, etc. Those individuals have been doing so long before the political threads existed. Again, the proof is in the archives. There have been, and I have had, many political discussions with members here that have not ended in personal insults. Can anyone point to a single political discussion with Kunkel in which you disagreed, that did not turn into his making a degrading or insulting comment, and being the first to introduce those comment into the discussion? I truly doubt it. I've made the challenge before, and the history proves what I claim. Here it is again: Find a political thread in which I introduced the first insult to John. Hint: It doesn't exist. As a defensive measure for the fact that I have not started any of these "pissig matches", John now claims (see above) that the mere fact that I post political content is an insult to him. That's is pure BS. You want facts? Here are the facts: EVERY political thread that I've started was made because it interests me, PERIOD. John insults me for that, and says I'm lying about it. No proof, no inside knowledge. Just insults for the sake of insult. Every Political thread I've started ends up in argument, not over the political content of the thread, but because ANOTHER individual responded with off topic and personal insults. John has been personally insulting people for a number of years, and no one seems to have a problem with it. Not the mods, not the super mods, and not Admin. Yet, for some reason, the subject of politics, a subject that affects each and every one of us in our daily lives is now being considered to be taboo, and largely because one or two people can't discuss politics with out attacking the opposition personally. But, it's OK, because those who make the personal attacks are "...contributors to the tech forums". For some reason their contributions to other threads buys them favor to ride roughshod in Off Topic, and freely personally attack other members. I say again, the problem isn't topic, the problem is the personal attacks that pull the thread off it's subject. As John has posted many times, HE will decide what the topic of my threads will be. He will decide where the thread will go. Well, HE HAS DECIDED. The thread WILL GO TO PERSONAL INSULTS, and they have, each and every time John posts in one of my political thread, and HE was the person to introduce the off subject, personal insults, personal attacks, name calling, and personal hatred to each of those threads. So here we are. John Kunkel, has decided that his personal mission here is to personally attack me for posting political threads, and has decided that no one should be able to discuss politics, and has decided that he will control even posts directed to another individual, in response to their direct questions. He has decided that any political post I make, is a personal insult to him, he has decided that he will make the decision to control the direction of any thread he see fit to control, and because his of decisions to disrupt conversations, personally attack anyone who has a political opinion that differs with his, personally attack anyone who has a religious opinion differing from his, or posts anything he doesn't deem fit to the board, we are actually having a poll to decide whether we should be able to discuss politics! Considering all of this, (his need to control the direction of the thread, his need to control what subjects can be discussed, his need to belittle others for their political and religious beliefs, and the fact that he now claims that political posts are direct insults to him, etc.) the most ludicrous claim (and personal insult) John has made yet, is his claim that I'm the one suffering from narcissism!!!!!!!!!! And, I'll bet someone here, is buying that, too. |
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I have an idea
Why not create a Frank and John forum exclusive for their use where they can post and reply to each other to their hearts content. That way there won't be a need for political censorship of the forums.
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A password secured political forum. The forum would appear in the menu, but only the forum name, and nothing else. To enter, even to just read the political content, you'd have to apply for a password. That way, the political content doesn't affect the rest of the board, and no one who doesn't purposely enter the political forum can read any of it, not even the subjects, or titles of the most recent posts. That would satisfy both sides of the coin. |
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As much as you claim that your posts are merely subjects that interest you, I still believe that you select the ones that will get a rise out of your participating audience, as limited as that may be. |
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Here's a thought, and it echoes JK's voting mantra (what if they held an election and nobody came): what if Frank posted, and John didn't reply? I'd be very curious as to how many replies such a thread would have. You have enough self-control to perform this little experiment, John?
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That would be like having a big ripe zit right on the end your nose. How could you not pop it? |
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I'm not claiming to be personally injured by the insult, I am merely replying to the whine that I insult the OP when he is the insulter. |
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Not so, you're the one who is always trying to control the direction of the thread with your incessant "get back on topic" or "I wasn't talking to you", you picture yourself as some sort of referee on a forum that you see as your sole domain. Quote:
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I think your only fear of banning political/religious threads here is not the professed lack of continuity but the fact that you'd be an orphan. Since you claim to avoid the tech forums because there's already enough misinformation there you'd lose the only place that allows you to pass on misinformation. |
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I am dizzy now........
That was one long posts that said nothing. |
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And what if it does, and what if individuals here offer proof that the post is pure BS? Then you go into the standard "I'm not responsible......." mode. The fact is that you try to sneak questionable material disguised as fact in order to further your goal of flaunting your distorted beliefs. The recent rash of Scott Ott offerings proves that. And, please, don't go into the same old "it's only satire" BS...to coin your favorite phrase, we both no better.
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or "Posting to insult you", or what? The fact is it's none of those, but you need to believe it's one or all of those to justify your continued use of personal insults. Again, it's what you do. Quote:
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So tell me, do you always view things that you don't agree with or obviously don't understand in a negative light, or do you make an exception for me?
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The rest who are not interested in the political stuff, wouldn't even be able to lurk there without purposely signing in to the forum. Something like that becomes a win-win situation. Quote:
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The question is, even if we wanted a political forum, which I do, is there any possibility that we would get it?
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Besides, the question isn't if there should be a political forum, but should politics just be banned entirely. If you think it is nasty in Off Topic now, just what do you think would happen if the political playmates had their own little corner to privately fight in? |
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You have a PM.
Check it out. I don't think it would be as bad as you think. |
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Is that an order? How come you can give 'em but I can't?
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A narcissist like yourself would no doubt view disagreement as a "lack of understanding"; after all how could anybody possibly disagree with your exalted opinion, they must not understand. Well, such is not the case, my disagreement with your writings is just that....disagreement. Quote:
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The only negative that stems from the political forum are people in dispute that then take that dispute to the rest of the sites forums.
We've all witnessed this, right? What I would love to see are those who mostly post in the political forum to start participating in the rest of the site forums like performance or vintage ect.... Regardless, everyone should have a voice and speak their mind, at least once that is....cause lord knows we don't wanna hear the same whining all the time. |
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And yes we all like to watch, once in a while that is, the friendly debate between kunkle and frankie.
Those 2 kind of get a free pass for they don't drag it all over this site like others have in the past. |
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Anytime you log in and select New Posts and a half dozen Off-Topic threads greet you with political titles, posted by or replied to by the same members time and time again...you know it is ongoing and casts the same characters. Hints don't help, polls don't help, PM's to members asking for a breather don't help. The only alternative is thread locks or post editing and deletion. That shouldn't have to be done. |
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You know, I have never used the new threads feature....... I guess it wold be annoying........... Huh?
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New Posts is a great feature because it shows which threads have new posts since your last visit.
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just my opinion, I don't make the rules here. |
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