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View Poll Results: No Political Posts For Two Weeks
Yes, Suspend Political Posts 15 50.00%
No, Don't Suspend Political Posts 15 50.00%
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Old 04-06-2009, 03:28 AM
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Biggrin Political Post Moratorium

How many would like to see a suspension of political postings for a short period of time, say, two weeks? During that time, nobody would post a new topic or reply to one already in place.
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How hard is it for people who are annoyed to just stay out of the posts that annoy them?
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Sounds like a good plan to me,but I don't read them anyway. They do take up space. Some times when you check the latest post there will be three or four on page one. There is another Mopar web site that has as many,or more political postings though,You know the one. Which ever way it turns out I can live with it.
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Two weeks? Two millennium would be more to my liking.
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:20 PM
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Two weeks? Two millennium would be more to my liking.
The two week figure was just a trial balloon to see if people would go back to talking about automotive subjects and to see if the board would improve and pick up traffic.
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Old 04-06-2009, 08:13 PM
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My opinion is "no opinion". It's like TV. I can change the channel or turn it off. I did enjoy your "quiz" on engines, however.
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How many would like to see a suspension of political postings for a short period of time, say, two weeks? During that time, nobody would post a new topic or reply to one already in place.
For what purpose?
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Old 04-09-2009, 08:14 PM
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To suspend the never ending back and forth pissy arguments that occur in threads that are started with the sole purpose of exhibiting an extreme one sided point of view just to incite a heated discussion.

To give the entire board a break.

To give some the opportunity to find other amusement.

To prove that we can all live without political or religious threads.
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Old 04-10-2009, 02:42 PM
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Sounds like the new gushy mushy easily offended are whining, and want things changed.........


Funny how I think this thread shows exactly what is wrong with America today.............

I really don't care. But I think it is real dumb.
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Old 04-11-2009, 12:13 PM
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It is a mopar site so it makes sense to me.
It be nice to have more traffic and contributors in the tech/performance
section, give it a shot!

Besides it's real hard to find much positive in politics anyways.
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Hmmm.... Seems even this poll is split by political party.
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To suspend the never ending back and forth pissy arguments that occur in threads that are started with the sole purpose of exhibiting an extreme one sided point of view just to incite a heated discussion.
...and in your view, no one is responsible for those "never ending back and forth pissy arguments", except the OP. Is that right?
A simple check of the search feature should disprove that theory, easily enough.

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To give the entire board a break.
This part is built in. It's called ignoring what you don't wish to participate in.

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To give some the opportunity to find other amusement.
What do you recommend?

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To prove that we can all live without political or religious threads.
I suppose it served it's purpose, then? Do you remember when the activity fell off, and just about the only activity was political?
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Old 04-11-2009, 02:55 PM
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I suppose it served it's purpose, then? Do you remember when the activity fell off, and just about the only activity was political?
No, that has never happened. There's always been people more interested in tech than off topic discussions. Performance and Ram forums have always been hopping, with the Restoration and Vintage forums right behind.
There was a long time that this forum had no Off Topic forum at all, the only reason it was added was because too many non-technical posts were being made in the tech forums.
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I have another question: Where do you draw the line between current events and politics?
In discussing the economy how do you stay away from politics, when the government is in the process of taking over the economy?
When discussing the automobile industry, how do you stay away from politics when the government is in the process of taking over GM, and Chrysler is, most likely, next?
The hijacking of ships by pirates is another event that will lead to political debate.
Finances is another... Government is involved in the nations banking process, now, too.

It seems to me that if you wish to ban political discussions, debates, and arguments, you ban to ban discussions, on finances and banking, automobile manufacturing, the economy in general, and in particular, retirement funding, the stock market, international incidents, trade, both foreign and domestic, health care, welfare, neighborhood assistance programs, the two wars, foreign relations of almost any kind, anything to do with DC, military ops of any kind, charities, taxes, jobs, employment, unemployment, education grants and funding, Public Schools.... shall I go on?

Remember, even though PresBO & Co. aren't Socialists, he and they have managed to get the Federal Government involved in more aspects of our lives than all of the 43 presidents before him. How do you discuss anything in current events, without discussing it's politics?

Maybe it's time that MC grew up, and had a political forum. You could even put a password on it. In that way, "Visitors to the site wouldn't see it, and members would have to intentionally sign into the forum, to even see the topics. That way, if you're there, it's because you want to be, not because you saw a thread subject that you were curious about. No one get's drawn in, and the those who are bothered by the political side of things don't have to be bothered.
It's a simple solution, and serves everyone's interests.
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No, that has never happened.
If that's what you think, I recommend you ask Dick about it.
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Hmmm.... Seems even this poll is split by political party.
How could you possibly know that?


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I have another question: Where do you draw the line between current events and politics?
That's for the moderators to decide, a few locks or zaps will illustrate what's acceptable and unacceptable if political/religious posts are banned. Take a look at other boards that manage to discuss hot topics without politics entering into it.


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Maybe it's time that MC grew up, and had a political forum. You could even put a password on it.
Grew up? If you like that idea, why not mosey over to Dave Shultz's board (if you're not already there)? He'll welcome fellow right-wingers with open arms.
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Old 04-11-2009, 06:17 PM
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Two weeks? Two millennium would be more to my liking.
This is hilarious! One of the biggest posters in the political threads, and who posts mostly just to be a contrarian, would enjoy a moratorium? I'll say this to John, and anyone else who is tired of the political threads: DON'T CLICK THEM! Problem solved!

To ban those who do like the threads because of malcontents who don't have the good sense to "change the channel" is just like the government requiring television manufacturers to put the V-chip in all our T.V.s - the families who really should be using them don't bother to, and the reason they need them in the first place is because they didn't bother to be proper parents in the first place. In other words, the government is going to control us because we are too stupid to control ourselves.

So you now propose that MC control all members because certain members are unable to stay out of threads that bother them? Great logic there.
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Hmmm.... Seems even this poll is split by political party.
How could you possibly know that?


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I have another question: Where do you draw the line between current events and politics?
That's for the moderators to decide, a few locks or zaps will illustrate what's acceptable and unacceptable if political/religious posts are banned. Take a look at other boards that manage to discuss hot topics without politics entering into it.

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Remember, even though PresBO & Co. aren't Socialists, he and they have managed to get the Federal Government involved in more aspects of our lives than all of the 43 presidents before him.
Guess who just made the polls forum political?


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Maybe it's time that MC grew up, and had a political forum. You could even put a password on it.
Grew up? If you like that idea, why not mosey over to Dave Shultz's board (if you're not already there)? He'll welcome fellow right-wingers with open arms.
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Thank you, John, for your opinion (both times you posted it), though somewhat biased, and, I'm sure you understood that my comments were in response to Dick's post, and were directed to him.
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This is hilarious! One of the biggest posters in the political threads, and who posts mostly just to be a contrarian, would enjoy a moratorium? I'll say this to John, and anyone else who is tired of the political threads: DON'T CLICK THEM! Problem solved!

To ban those who do like the threads because of malcontents who don't have the good sense to "change the channel" is just like the government requiring television manufacturers to put the V-chip in all our T.V.s - the families who really should be using them don't bother to, and the reason they need them in the first place is because they didn't bother to be proper parents in the first place. In other words, the government is going to control us because we are too stupid to control ourselves.

So you now propose that MC control all members because certain members are unable to stay out of threads that bother them? Great logic there.
Some good points there, Brian.
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Old 04-12-2009, 02:18 AM
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If that's what you think, I recommend you ask Dick about it.
No need and with all due respect to Dick, you forget that I've been here awhile. My one fear when the off-topic forum was added that it would become a place for argument and attitude at the expense of the rest of the place and that certainly seems to have been the case.
Now if in the future, 6 months before Election Day on every 2 years or so, open it back up for discussion. However, the election is over, time to give it a break.
Already in there some of the political discussion has faded, giving way to more interesting topics such as old mopar history, the ER discussion, Canadian healthcare and even traction technology, amongst others.
Much more entertaining and enlightening than the typical right-left bashfest that crowded most other kinds of discussion right out of OT most of the time.
Also, the level of hostility has also dropped, even you and I are being civil!
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No need and with all due respect to Dick, you forget that I've been here awhile. My one fear when the off-topic forum was added that it would become a place for argument and attitude at the expense of the rest of the place and that certainly seems to have been the case.
Now if in the future, 6 months before Election Day on every 2 years or so, open it back up for discussion. However, the election is over, time to give it a break.
Already in there some of the political discussion has faded, giving way to more interesting topics such as old mopar history, the ER discussion, Canadian healthcare and even traction technology, amongst others.
Much more entertaining and enlightening than the typical right-left bashfest that crowded most other kinds of discussion right out of OT most of the time.
Also, the level of hostility has also dropped, even you and I are being civil!
Stoga, I don't dislike you, or even John, for that matter. I dislike being attacked personally, as I'm sure you do.

You forget, I have been here a while, too. Since 2000. Remember?

I disagree. Politics isn't just about elections. There are political current events happening every day that concern and affect each one of us (and health care is most certainly one of those things). In fact, more so now than ever before. The country is involved in so many political situations at this point in time and they affect so many facets of our live that to ignore it is to play ostrich.

We aren't going to settle the words problems, but we can talk about them. That is if some members could allow a discussion to take place with out the need of personal insults, name calling, and other argument starting tactics.
It isn't even necessary to agree. What an example? Bobr and I disagree about both politics, and religion, but I hold no ill feeling toward him, and I don't believe he holds any toward me. We've had a number of exchanges, some even heated, but it makes no difference. Why? Because we have attacked each other, personally. I feel the same way about Dodger1. I don't know his opinion, but I think he's a person who speaks his mind without taking personal cheap shots.

Ed and I have had some differences, to, as I have with Dick. But, I don't have any problems discussing things with either, because the point of the discussion is always the subject, not me, or them, or any other member. Politics can be discussed, even argued with out making it personal, and without hold ill feelings about it.

Do you remember how pissed you got over some of the things Bush did? Do you remember being pissed for eight years, and taking it out on anyone who you thought supported his actions Because of their political persuasions? I remember well.

I also remember being personally attacked because I said I liked all American car brands, but I preferred MoPars. I remember being called names because at the time I owned 2 Mopars, and a Chevy. My point in mentioning this isn't to take a cheap shot, either. The point is the personal attacks happen in every subject, even well before the political discussions started. Blaming politics is just a false accusation.

I'm sorry, but, as I see things, subject matter is irrelevant when it comes to personal attacks . It's sarcasm, personal and petty beefs, personal attacks, and the inability of some individuals to discuss things without making it personal. A quick trip through the search feature will prove every bit of this. No matter what you think of the political threads, if you look through them, you'll find that there are one or two individuals who are responsible for starting the personal attacks in otherwise impersonal political threads. The fact that a few can't discuss these things without the need to ridicule others who have differing opinions has nothing to do with politics. Keep the personal BS out of the discussion, and things are fine. Most people can disagree about things without reverting to second grade tactics, of name calling, insults, and other personal attacks. As stated so many times before, those tactics have nothing to do with politics, it's personal, and has no place here.

As I stated above, presently we are in a state of being whereas so many things in our daily lives are now tied to the government. Even things like the Auto industry that were not involved before.

The idea of an isolated political section of the board would put an end to the issue for those who don't want to discuss political issues. If you go through the steps to set up a password for the political threads, and entire the forum, it would be because you want to be there, and went out of your way to do so. That, in it's self, will end it for most of those who either don't participate, don't read, or don't agree with discussing politics.
For those who do, keep the personal insults to yourself, and discuss the issues. Arguing is fine, as long as you're arguing the issues. Even moderation could be minimal. If the discussion becomes personal, don't lock the thread, strike the personal attack from the conversation. As we've seen, without the personal attacks politics can be discussed, even argued, without hard feelings.


I'd like to know if a political forum is possible. The idea serves everyone. it's isolated so no one who doesn't want to be involved would be, and it's still there for those who do.

I like to see Abalto's thoughts, Dicks, Eds, Stoga's, thoughts about an isolated, and password protected political discussion forum. Keep it politics, and leave your personal insults, and grips at home.
The purpose is to discuss politics, not to insult each other.
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the level of hostility has also dropped, even you and I are being civil!
This alone is proof that there is no need for a moratorium. I agree with Frank that the problem isn't the fact that discussion or even arguments take place. The problem is individuals who are incapable of expressing their feelings without resorting to personal attacks. My brother-in-law is a certified, 60's Berkeley graduate, Liberal. He and I often go back and forth endlessly on our differences of opinion, but we never attack each other or even get angry over it. Granted, being on an internet forum instead of face-to-face makes it easier for some people to resort to uncivil behavior, but some judiciously applied moderation can take care of that.

Anyone who wants a two-week moratorium on the political discussions is free to have one, beginning immediately. Just don't click on any thread in off-topic started by Frank or with a reply from John Kunkle. See how simple that is?
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This is hilarious! One of the biggest posters in the political threads, and who posts mostly just to be a contrarian, would enjoy a moratorium? I'll say this to John, and anyone else who is tired of the political threads: DON'T CLICK THEM! Problem solved!
Never said I was "tired of political threads", I merely feel the board would be better off without them. Since I value truth and fact much more than my nemisis who flatly states he has no use for either, I feel the necessity for a balancing opinion which you and my nemisis seem to feel is being "contrarian".


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So you now propose that MC control all members because certain members are unable to stay out of threads that bother them? Great logic there.
It's not about controlling certain members, it's about controlling content. If I posted a jpg of a nude female with crotch displayed ala Hustler magazine it would be quickly zapped; I could object by using the lame excuse "I just post what interests me" but it would be zapped none the less.
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Thank you, John, for your opinion (both times you posted it), though somewhat biased,
The king of bias points a finger. Double posts are a board glitch.

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and, I'm sure you understood that my comments were in response to Dick's post, and were directed to him.
And I'm sure you understand that I don't care who your comments were directed to, I have, and will continue to respond at my leisure regardless of your attempts to control the direction of the forum with petty rules of your own making.

How about responding to my query as to how you can tell how the poll is "split by political party". Another in a long line of unsupportable claims.
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The king of bias points a finger. Double posts are a board glitch.
Oh, you mean you didn't intentionally re-post your comments, because some one else posted after you, and didn't refer to anything you had to say?
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And I'm sure you understand that I don't care who your comments were directed to, I have, and will continue to respond at my leisure regardless of your attempts to control the direction of the forum with petty rules of your own making.
Yes, John, I doubt that anyone here thought any differently about your need to respond.

btw. Look who just made the polls thread, another pissy ass petty argument to satisfy his own ego.

More over, I'm sure that John will blame me for this, too, and a mod or two will agree.

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How about responding to my query as to how you can tell how the poll is "split by political party". Another in a long line of unsupportable claims.
Simple. Because I don't feel a need to respond to your demands.
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btw. Look who just made the polls thread, another pissy ass petty argument to satisfy his own ego. More over, I'm sure that John will blame me for this, too, and a mod or two will agree.
As noted in my reply #18, you are the one who made the poll forum a sounding board for your political opinion (reply #14). You just can't seem to keep politics out of the most simple exchange.

It's ironic that you, the one who thinks political discussions are an asset to the board have, by your own admission, little use for fact, truth or balance. That fact is what makes you a target for the personal attacks you whine so much about. Your posts are an insult which is replied to with insults.


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Simple. Because I don't feel a need to respond to your demands.
"How about" isn't a demand, it's a request but you couldn't possibly back up your claim (as usual) so you go into the attack mode.
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Your posts are an insult which is replied to with insults.
Honestly John, how is it an insult when someone posts a link or pastes an article (unchanged) from another source (news site, etc.)? If you are that easily insulted, then I suggest therapy or just plain growing a pair. Your statement is testimony to the victim attitude in this country, everyone wants to be a victim or be insulted by the simplest things. As has been said in the past many times by many people,if you dont like it (oar are insulted by it), dont read it.
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Democracy and Republic requires debate...if you need a break from it DONT READ....or move to a country that does not have citizens like Jordan or Saudi Arabia those countries dont have citizens they have subjects that live and die by the whim of their rulers...Nuff Said
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