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Old 03-26-2005, 11:26 AM
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So uh...whats the odds of finding one of the 318 with the 360 heads straight from the factory....I heard a guy mention them at the boneyard about six months ago and I thought he might be F. O. S. What kinda vehicle would they put something like that in? Man I feel dorky
You wont find such a thing from the factory. Thats a popular swap since the 360 heads beath better and it makes a great power increase when swapped to a 318, but it was never done by the factory.
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Old 03-26-2005, 11:32 AM
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Actually I'm gonna have to correct DWC here. There were 318's with 360 heads built by the factory. They are commonly referred to as "police package" 318's. They aren't nearly as common as a regular 318 but are still pretty obtainable. Got mine out of a 1988 diplomat squad car. Check the VIN of the vehicle for an S which indicates the Hi-Po engine.
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Old 03-26-2005, 11:45 AM
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just look for the S....All this time I thought that guy was full of Sh*t too.... hey what kinda other stuff was in the police package? Crazy thing is I know where 3 late 80s police cruzers are and should get this stuff pretty cheap. Ya learn something new everyday
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Old 03-26-2005, 12:04 PM
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The late 80's 318 E58 police car package engine had swilr port 318 heads and that's one reason it ws such a dog. You'll also find them with a spreadbore intake either a thremoquad or a quadra junk depending on the year. THey will also have a windage tray, and a double roller timming chain. If your lucky it will have the HD colling package with all the tranny and oil coolers and lines too. And some will have roller cam engines depending on what year it is. I drove one for work and I still own a retired one.
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Old 03-26-2005, 01:25 PM
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alright,
MR 318 has to set everything strait here.
i have a factory 318, block #4387530-318
heads #4027596 (big port 360 head)
came factory

same block # came with4343475 heads (another big port 360)

so, chrysler also sais they put 360 heads on a 318 from the factory, for some police and hi-po applications.

oh, they are not dogs

and, the reason why they dont run as good as you would think? not enough cam and compression for a 360 head
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Old 03-26-2005, 01:29 PM
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You wont find such a thing from the factory. Thats a popular swap since the 360 heads beath better and it makes a great power increase when swapped to a 318, but it was never done by the factory.
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!! a good power increase??? yeah, if you mill the heads, and cam and tune it for over 5000

just bolt em on????? can you say BOG?

the best way to make a mild 318 (mild means 400 hp or less) is to use old 675 heads, do some minor porting, and a good bowl job. put 1.88/1.60 valves in it and it will out torque the 360 head every time (unless you want to go totally radical)
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Old 03-26-2005, 01:37 PM
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We milled a setof x heads with 2.02 's and use a mild cam and made over 400 hp in a 318 bore. .030 over and never turned it over 6000 either. Not hard to do.
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you milled a set of Xes????????????/

ooooooooooohhhhh! shame on you
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the best way to make a mild 318 (mild means 400 hp or less) is to use old 675 heads, do some minor porting, and a good bowl job. put 1.88/1.60 valves in it and it will out torque the 360 head every time (unless you want to go totally radical)
Atta boy! Though I can not picture those heads in my mind.
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you mean wich heads are they?
68-74 or 75. they have a lot of meat on em for hogging, and are usually 3-6 cc's smaller than the 973 head (after like 75) different (better cooling too on the ex side)

put a torker 318 on em, with a good cam and headers, and ittl eat a 318 with 360 heads, till over 550 lift
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YEAH, I LOVE IT! HotRod them 318's! A buddy of mine in the 80's had a Duster(318, 360 heads, fairly big cam, 4-speed) went 14.6s on regular street radials. Not the ideal combo, but, who knew! And if the stock 318 heads work better with a little massaging.........way-cool-daddy'o!
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14.6 is very respectable, did he mill his heads? if not, and has stock pistons/stock deck, he's got like 7.0 to 1 just think how it would run with 9to1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the reason 360 heads might be the way to go, is it is hard to find a small port manifold
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14.6 is very respectable, did he mill his heads? if not, and has stock pistons/stock deck, he's got like 7.0 to 1 just think how it would run with 9to1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the reason 360 heads might be the way to go, is it is hard to find a small port manifold
Regular Performer is small 318 sized ports, Eddie LD4B is small port, maybe the Holley single plane Street Dominator. I think Weiand has a small port intake too.
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lets see Magnum heads, crosswind duelplane ,Headmans headers,340 cam,600 holey, all new all cheep lifes good.
Better check that Crosswind intake really good before installing it. I saw on Moparts where a guy has one that won't seal on the front rail. Not enough surface to seal on! Whoever you buy that from better have a great return/warranty policy!

If you think you're getting something for nothing? You're probably getting nothing for something!
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ok all you 318 gurus listen up ok 67 plymouth belvedere mopar 484 282 shaft 360 smog heads on a 318 30 over the old torker intake and 391 gears 2800 stall ran 14.30@94.6 mph in the 1/4 put a victor intake on it drop it 10 14.10 in the 1/4@98 mph put a set of unmolested 2.02 j heads on the same engine everything else remained the same 13.50@99.7 mph in the 1/4 the 360 smog heads were a set of 78 cc chambers wet cranking pressure was 130lbs in all 8 cylnders the wet cranking pressure with the j heads was 145lbs in all 8 cylinders i ran the timing at 36 total@3000 initial was 14 deg at idle with no vaccume advance hooked to it period no juice either beat that
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74 duster, 318 x heads, 590/610 roller, 3500 stall, port o sonic, super comps, 12 sec not trying hard,
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what compression ratio lol
i did it running 87 octane
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Old 03-29-2005, 11:23 AM
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over 10, just had to brag
well, the funny part? i had a 360 in a 71 3/4 tom truck that would keep up with you, and it ran 87 (sold the motor when i sold the 74 duster, kept my cool 318)
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The best head for a 318 is the Magnum head. Good chambers, 1.92I-1.62E valves and they out flow X heads. Without any work they can support around 400 horse power.
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the pushrod is in the way, period, no way around it, you cant get rid of the bottleneck, and there is more of a bottle neck in the magnum heads than the X. the magnum intake ports will not outflow the Xes, at least on the intake side, nor will any other roller head.
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dodgetkboy78,

I tend to disgree with that last coment in regards to magnum heads. I've beaten this point till I can't talk no more.(ask Rumblefish). It's not so much flow as much V.E. and the quench in the the chamber. Magnums have such a superior chamber then any open chamber 60's, 70's design. Out of the box the 380 horse crate motor dyno'd a 407 H.P. No porting, no milling, no tricks and a smaller intake valve the a stock X head.

What I don't understand from most people is a comparsion from 60's tech to modern tech. You don't make heads any more on a piece of paper everything is done with computers and is superior to any other head cast in sand.

Hopefully LA360Dart will right in. His dart runs real hard I met him a Irwindale Speedway a couple of weeks back. 360 la short block(non mopar performance)Magnums heads Racer Brown cam, dual plane and 3.55's his car weighing 3400 pounds ran 8.11 at nearly 88 MPH his motor is so smooth it was breaking late model Mustang's hearts.

Magnum heads are cheap way for power, trust me.
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Old 03-29-2005, 09:04 PM
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well, i hope your right then, cause i got a mean magnum waiting for my duster to be done
the combustion chamber is way better, but flow...............................whatya do?
i love my Xes, and my J's, and, i hope to god, that 360 magnum will impress me
ill look and see if i can find some flowbench info, that'll help, but, like i said, i do agree on the chamber
and then, this thread, it was about 360 heads on a 318.
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Old 03-29-2005, 09:05 PM
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Whats 8.11 equal in the 1/4? I have a set of Magnums Im still debating on using over Eddy's
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dodgetkboy78

I posted a bunch of low numbers not to long ago. I'll dig them up.
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I don't have any thing on hand in regards to flow all I have are numbers from Ryan at Shadydell.http://www.shadydellspeedshop.com/magnumrt.htm

He is the man..

Granted these numbers are for R/T's they have a bigger intake port volume.

Hope that helps
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Here you go.

unported on RyanJ's bench (Shadydell machine shop)


LIFT----AS CAST
---------IN/EX
.100"--67.3/N/A
.200"--131.3/97.3
.300"--185.6/132.5
.400"--212.5/144.9
.450"--213.9/146.3
.500"--212.2/146.3
.550"--212.5/146.3
.600"--213.9/146.6
.650"--214.2/147.3
.700"--215.3/147.3


compared to undported 596's

LIFT----I-------E
.100--62.8----48.3
.200--117.3---98.3
.300--174.2---120.8
.400--193.2---125.6
.450--192.5---127.7
.500--192.5---128.3
.550--192.5---129.0

fully ported heads. Magnums-J-Eddy RPM-MP Comandos. All heads have 2.02 valve except the magnums wich have 1.94s

LIFT--MAGNUM---"587"----EBROCK----COMMANDO
.100"--67.3-----62.1-----65.6------69
.200"--132.8----135.2----135.2-----140.1
.300"--196.0----198.7----197.7-----202.5
.400"--225.0----239.8----233.2-----246.4
.450"--238.1----253.9----245.0-----266.0
.500"--250.5----258.4----255.3-----277.1
.550"--257.1----264.9----265.7-----281.2
.600"--259.1----254.6----274.6-----282.9
.650"--259.1----N/A------279.1-----283.0
.700"--259.8----N/A------283.9-----285.3

Heres a set of fully ported Js with the stock 1.88 intake valve,

LIFT--MAGNUM---"596"
.100"--67.3---58.7
.200"--132.8--120.1
.300"--196.0--182.9
.400"--225.0--225.6
.450"--238.1--238.1
.500"--250.5--241.5
.550"--257.1--247.0
.600"--259.1--248.8
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like your dusters gonna be done before that engine rust up, you should give it to me!
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HUH?
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ok all you 318 gurus listen up ok 67 plymouth belvedere mopar 484 282 shaft 360 smog heads on a 318 30 over the old torker intake and 391 gears 2800 stall ran 14.30@94.6 mph in the 1/4 put a victor intake on it drop it 10 14.10 in the 1/4@98 mph put a set of unmolested 2.02 j heads on the same engine everything else remained the same 13.50@99.7 mph in the 1/4 the 360 smog heads were a set of 78 cc chambers wet cranking pressure was 130lbs in all 8 cylnders the wet cranking pressure with the j heads was 145lbs in all 8 cylinders i ran the timing at 36 total@3000 initial was 14 deg at idle with no vaccume advance hooked to it period no juice either beat that

oh yeah? well, dont you get too excited! my D100 will do the quarter in 13.27! it has a 360, with a hydraulic roller cam (bigger) 308 heads, and offey 360 degree intake. dodgetkboy78 built it for me about 4 years ago. it wont run on regular gas, and wont idle in the cold. but it eats my honda!
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nerd, if i was you i wouldnt admit you drive that thing
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