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The 4 banger ricers drive me nuts too. I get a kick out of them when they pull up beside me at an intersection where 4 lanes go to 2 and think they will jump ahead of my "big" truck. I really don't have to punch it hard to leave them with their jaws hanging. I have the Adventurer package and still have the original Dodge "camper" on the bed so it truly is "sleeper". I have surprised my share at many a stop light.
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What type truck?
I had a real throwback, a '73 Camper Special with the Adventurer Package. I love that truck. Just sold the engine for a mint and am upgrading the powertrain to a wicked 440, and the sheetmetal to '88 spec from a Ramcharger. I'll update the interior too, with the luxo goodies from the Ramcharger. The other new project is a '88 Ram D150 shortie which I have a 440 planned out for as well. Yes, I am still porting and building engines, and recently found a '73 Challenger that I may get. Always wanted an E-Body. It's actually within 3 miles of GS's house! Happy New Year all! And to all a new Mopar!
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I have a 78 Dodge D100 with the adventurer package. Like I said it still has the original Dodge camper shell on it that has the sliding glass windows in the sides and on the front shell and the back of the cab there is a clear inner tube, for lack of a better word , that slides between the cab and camper so the AC can cool the back also.
It came with a 318 that I have put a Edelbrock performer intake and 750 carb, Summit cam with 204/214 degrees duration at .050" and 420"/504" lift, double roller timing chain, electronic ign. with Accel wire and coil, 2500 stall speed convertor, B&M shift kit, and 4.11 positive traction rear end gears. I am presently building a 360 to replace the 318. I going with one of comp extreme energy cams and a set roller rockers, intake and ign. will be the same. With the weight of the truck I need plenty of torque. |
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Not to start anything but the domestic 4 cyl motor's have tourqe #'s to like the old modified turbo dodges from the mid 80's to early 90's!(that would embarrass some small and bigblock's)on this page you'll see that all of these car's have more tourqe than hp
http://www.relentlessracing.com/main.htm Update on Larry Jolliffe's Spirit R/T (500 hp & 514 ft/lbs) impressive aint it page on it http://www.turbododge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68933 P.S Don't look at a book by it's cover |
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Turbo... one difference with those two books. Flip open the cover, and you find "printed in USA".
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I think part of the reason why there are fewer V8s on the road today is, aside from the obvious fuel economy and emissions standards is need. With modern OHC engines, close ratio 5 and 6 speed transmissions big cubic inches isnt as necessary as it was before to make power. Sure the new cars dont have the tire smoking torque of the old big blocks but they do make good higher rpm power. Take for example the following
03 and up Honda Accord coupe - runs mid 14s with the 6 speed/V6 combo New Nissan Maximas and Altimas, both have 250-265 hp V6s and can run 14s Note these are simply family sedans. SRT-4, Subaru WRX both can run easy low 14s and they are turbo 4 bangers. WRX Sti and Lancer EVO run deep into the 13s with the help of a turbo of course 350Z and the Infinity G35 both can run high 13s and low 14s with the NA V6 Acura RSX type S,Ford Focus SVT and A Honda Civic Si are in the 15 second range with engines 2 liters or under. Now im sure alot of the big block muscle cars would edge out the most of the cars named here, but not by much. Most of the small block muscle cars bone stock probably didnt do much better then 14-15 second 1/4 miles. Of course with todays weak 91-93 octane gas many of them might not even run that. So today with modern automotive technology you can get a respectably quick car with a V6 or less that gets good fuel economy too. 3 liter engines of today could keep up with cars with engines of twice the displacement decades ago. |
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I am not saying that the new imports would outrun many of the big block cars of the past, but they can come pretty close and can offer decent performance especially for 6 and 4 cylinder cars. Sure traction sucked back then with the primative old tires but how well would alot of the high output engines run on todays unleaded 91 or 93 octane gas? Now todays V8 are definatly serious engines in stock form, like the LS1s, the new hemi, the Ford 4.6 and 5.4 liter engines. BMWs 4.4 liter, the M5s 5 liter V8 just to name a few. Most all of which are small block displacement but still make great power.
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All this talk about new V8 engines is making me randy. LOL!! I want a 2-dr RWD HEMI in the $30G market.
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I want a 2dr. HEMI car priced in the 10,000 (Stripped) - 15,000 (Loaded) range. Call it a Road Runner, Cuda, Challenger, whatever. I want it with nothing. No air, power steering, etc... I also don't want it to look like the crap coming out now. Give it a slight retro style as so not to have the gerneric new car crap look. Ford did a crazy cool retro look with the Stang. Chrysler can do it to and do it better. There falling behind again. The new Charger is a 4 dr. Which IN my book is a simple people move. Nothing more, nothing less. Ford ruined the T-bird with 4doors and also by making it bigger than a house. I see that mistake happening with a Charger. |
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Yeah chrysler seriously needs to come out with a lower priced performance car, RWD and hemi. The SRT-4 is great for what it is but its still competing in the import scene. I say they come back with the Challenger, since Plymouth is gone the names like Cuda or Roadrunner would be hard to stick on it. Maybe give the 4.7 or 3.5 as the base engine. The 5.7 as the mid level engine and then the 6.1 or if possible a Viper V10 as the top of the line SRT-10 or 8 engine. Make the car signifigantly smaller then the Magnum or 300C, keep weight under 3500 lbs and sell it to compete with the new Mustang (25-30,000 dollar territory) Keep the styling retro with maybe a touch of Viper or Stratus body styling. Then you'd have a new car id seriously consider buying.
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Bring back the duster!
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Base engine V6 - 3.7L (in place of and paying respect to the slant six) Upgrade Engine V8 - 4.7L (in place of the 318) HP Engine V8 - 5.7 Hemi (to replace the 340/360) Give it TWO doors , and price it between the Neon and stratus coupe. I think there might be more than a few takers for such a combination. DB. |
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Hey, a Dart would be fine with me hehe.. anybody have any clues or anything that DC might be considering building something like that?
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Now that YOU mention it, a Neon is to much of an econo mini box, that Stratus isn't a bad idea to play with. It isn't a bad looking car. It just needs a rear wheel drive and a minor body upgrade. That car would be a great modern day type of replacement for what the Duster was. Following how you layed out the engine line up, theres room for everything the Duster/Dart had and more in engine optionds. I like the car until it was front wheel drive. No big engine output to speak of kills it for me. |
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You guys are trying to compare apples to oranges.The old V8 most were two barrel grocery getters,these modern rice burners are lite weight fuel injected turboed sometimes twin turboed intercooled 4wd factory race cars (I say some)& some of the parts for these cars are extreamly expensive,I work as a mechanic every day on these things & they have all sorts of problems from a to z, Sure technology has to move with the times,"But give me a V8 anyday I reckon they are more reliable,& there is still no substitute for cubic inches," Except more cubic inches" "I wonder what would happen if you built a midmounted V8 twin turboed car that was 4wd & injected
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[QUOTE=scarecrow "I wonder what would happen if you built a midmounted V8 twin turboed car that was 4wd & injected [/QUOTE]
Your insurance would cost more than your mortgage, that's what! I did meet a guy that did that to a Corvair, though. Buckets-o-fun!! torch |
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Yeah, once again good idea on a new Dart to replace the stratus/sebring. Those cars are becomming outdated and will need a replacement anyways.
Id lower the engine sizes though so it could be classed under the 300C and the Magnum. Base engine 2.4 liter 160 hp 4 cylinder, give it a 5 speed automatic to help performance and economy, 5 speed manual optional. Maybe the 3.7 or the 2.7 200 hp engine, again with a 5 speed auto or 6 speed manual. Make the R/T with a high output 4.7.. 250 hp at least (we all know the 4.7 is underrated) 5 speed auto or again a 6 speed manual. Then SRT-8 with a 5.7 hemi with the standard 340 hp with displacement on demand for added fuel economy. Maybe they should invest in some variable valve timming for the OHC engines, make even more power and get better fuel economy and keep the car competitive with most imports. Give the R/T and the SRT-8 a Viper sourced rear suspension and axles for plenty of strength for aftermarket mods. Keep the body nice and wide like the Magnum and 300C but shorten the length of the car by a foot or so, Maybe use a Mercedes C class I beleive ? frame/chassis. Style it similar to the Magnum but a little more sleak, give it the distinct late 60s Dart taillights that are nice and squared off. Offer 2 and 4 door options, though the R/T and SRT-8 would obviously have to stay 2 door. Keep the luxury to a minimum, maybe something similar to an SRT-4 but better sound deadening and ride quality and interior build quality. |
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Isn't the SRT-8 a 6.1L 425hp?
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Yes for the Magnum, 300C and the new Charger but a new hypothetical Dart would have to market itself under the 300 and Magnum as a midsized car. Thus the lower output motor. Kinda like the M3 with the 6 cylinder VS the M5 with the V8 (now v10)
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I hate to say it and I hope I am proved wrong, but I am afraid the days of the economy class v8's are gone. No more buying Darts or Dusters with 318s or even 340s-360s. Those days are long behind us.
There'll be v8's, but you'll have to at least have to pay a bit of a premium for one. Look at the price difference on a V6 vs Hemi Magnum-300-Charger, that'll tell the story right there. |
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I dont know man, car companies have been doing some crazy things lately, who would have forseen a 500 hp V10 high performance truck like the ram? Or a muscle wagon like the Magnum? What about 4 door imports with supercar handling and performance like the EVO and Sti ? Anything is possible, I beleive the 4.7 is a pretty cheap to produce engine, and the 5.7 hemi is even less expensive. If the economy V8 car doesnt come through there is always room for a retro Challenger coupe or something. We know Ford isnt doing to bad with its Mustang.
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